ARIN whois

Ehud Gavron GAVRON at ACES.COM
Tue Nov 23 07:55:17 UTC 1999


>A point that Dean makes here is pretty valid. 

	No, he doesn't, and attempting to legitimize it only does
	a disservice to anyone with a clue.

	NOTE: Do NOT EVER run an open relay on the Internet
	      

>Last year MHSC tried to run a third-party secure email service, 
>using sendmail. The only way to do that is to allow relaying. 

	Ah, so you're one of those people who run open relays.  Sorry;
	time to get a job where you're not about loosing filth on the net.

>The nimrods, that are about closing down all mail relays,

	Nimrod?  *laugh*  "That word, I do not think it means what
	you think it means."  http://www.m-w.com. quote - tpb

>That sort of gateway MUST allow relays in order to function.

	Well, I'm afraid to get on my soapbox about clueless people
	who get promoted to sysadmin positions.  Unfortunately staying
	silent and letting "nimrods" (means "mighty hunter) like you do 
	damage by mis-informing real sysadmins about open relays is bad.

	Open relays unacceptable, and technically unnecessary.
	Closed relays fine.  Learn to use filters, my dictionary-challenged
	friend.

>I know Ron Guillimette from my daze on the anti-spam lists. Not only is he
>rabid, but he lacks a lot of sense. He's an "ends justify means" type.

	Um.  Dude.  That's entirely what your comment on open relays
	is.  If the ends don't justify the means, than your bad business
	sense and poor technical skills DON'T justify open relays.

	Cheers,

	Ehud

	p.s. Don't send me any more private mail telling me how bright
	     dean is. 

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-nanog at merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog at merit.edu]On Behalf Of
>> Dean Anderson
>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 11:16 AM
>> To: Kai Schlichting; nanog at merit.edu
>> Subject: Re: ARIN whois
>>
>>
>>
>> These are coming from Mass, Cleveland, Ohio, and Virginia.
>>
>> We use our relays for legitimate business purposes. They are
>> not "accidentally left open".  We are not going to close
>> them.  We are going to pursue abusers civilly and criminally.
>>  The FBI assures me that it does not matter criminally that
>> access comes from international sources.
>>
>> Much of the activity appears to be comming from alleged
>> ANTI-SPAMMERs such as Chris Neill, and Alan Brown and Ron
>> Guillemette who have been inciting attacks against us,
>> posting to alt.2600 and advertising our service.  Inciting
>> criminal acts is a criminal act too, I'm pretty sure. We make
>> sure to mention them prominently.
>>
>> 		--Dean
>>
>> Around 11:18 PM 11/21/1999 -0500, rumor has it that Kai
>> Schlichting said:
>> >
>> >At 09:16 PM 11/21/99 -0500, Dean Anderson wrote:
>> >
>> >>Can someone send me a list of *all* AOL netblocks?  ARIN's
>> whois only gives back a handful.
>> >>
>> >>I want to block _all_ AOL netblocks, but its tough to find
>> out what they are.
>> >>
>> >>Thanks to a few malicious, radical antispammers (Chris
>> Neill, Alan Brown, etc) we are getting hit with a large
>> number of criminal mail relays. Mostly coming from AOL
>> addresses. We have about a half dozen individual criminal
>> complaints underway.
>> >
>> >Don't kid us, Dan. Close your fucking relays (not that any
>> of them talk to
>> >my hosts anyhow). If this has to be drummed into your
>> bonehead again: THEY
>> >WILL FIND YOUR RELAYS ON THEIR OWN, AND THEY WILL ABUSE
>> THEM, NO MATTER
>> >HOW LOUD YOU SCREAM. THEY SIT IN CHINA, PAKISTAN AND KOREA,
>> AND THERE IS
>> >NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT THEM SHORT OF CALLING THE
>> WHITEHOUSE AND GETTING
>> >THESE PLACES INVADED. Alternatively, you could come to your
>> senses and
>> >shut the literal front door of your house now that you've
>> finally noticed
>> >the first unsavory characters passing by. A couple years
>> after the rest
>> >of us, no doubt.
>> >
>> >And they won't need ORBS or any other service to locate you, either.
>> >Stop complaining. No more secrets (now that's from Scott
>> Yelich's tagline).
>> >
>> >bye,Kai
>> >
>> >--
>> >kai at conti.nu             "Just say No" to Spam
>> Kai Schlichting
>> >Palo Alto, New York, You name it             Sophisticated
>> Technical Peon
>> >Kai's SpamShield <tm> is FREE!
>> http://SpamShield.Conti.nu
>> >|
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>> allyHardMath
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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