Is anyone actually USING IP QoS?
Alex P. Rudnev
alex at Relcom.EU.net
Tue May 18 09:18:06 UTC 1999
In addition. Months ago I'v asked about RSVP in Nanog. I'v get 1 (one)
answer - just from the Russia - _we use it over one our link_. -:)
On Mon, 17 May 1999, Steve Riley (MCS) wrote:
> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:04:37 -0700
> From: Steve Riley (MCS) <steriley at microsoft.com>
> To: nanog at merit.edu
> Subject: RE: Is anyone actually USING IP QoS?
> Nice to see that I'm not the only one believing in the foolishness of QoS
> hype. Bandwidth is essentially free, and will always be cheaper than QoS.
> And since in the end nearly all decisions are based on economics, it should
> be apparent which is the more logical decision.
> Allow me to point you to an interesting paper called "Rise of the Stupid
> Network." Many of you here may have already seen this. It was written back
> in 1997 by David Isenberg, then a reasearcher at AT&T Labs (Isenberg is now
> an independent consultant). His paper profoundly changed my views on QoS and
> made me realize that networks perform best when we limit how smart they get
> and ensure that networks focus on transport only. I urge everyone to read
> Paper: http://www.rageboy.com/stupidnet.html
> Isenberg's site: http://www.isen.com/
> Steve Riley
> Microsoft Telecommunications Practice in Denver, Colorado
> email: mailto:steriley at microsoft.com
> call: +1 303 521-4129 (cellular)
> page: +1 888 440-6249 or mailto:4406249 at skytel.com
> Applying computer technology is simply finding the right wrench to pound in
> the correct screw.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vadim Antonov [mailto:avg at kotovnik.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 12:28 PM
> To: nanog at merit.edu; pete at kruckenberg.com
> Subject: Re: Is anyone actually USING IP QoS?
> Yep. Altough not _all_ QoS schemes are broken-as-designed. The
> most trivial per-packet priority combined with ingress
> priority mix shaping works. Ths idea of end-to-end
> whatever reservations or guarantees is usually propounded
> by people who either neglected their CS courses or those
> who are trying to sell it.
> Yep. The biggest QoS secret is that nobody actually needs
> it. Bandwidth is cheap and is growing cheaper. The
> manpower needed to deploy and maintain QoS is getting
> more and more expensive.
Aleksei Roudnev, Network Operations Center, Relcom, Moscow
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