Please be nice... (Was Re: Exodus?)

Alan Spicer tech at
Tue Jan 5 11:57:24 UTC 1999

Ditto that from me. I remotely administrate several systems across the
country from my location. I also have to support a crew that is basically
not technical at all, using ISP's that are on many different backbones.
(I also came from 3 years at an ISP and I survived the AGIS/SPAM thing.)
I also strive to learn as much as I can from the more knowledgeable ones
on this list. I really value (most of) the content. I'd hate to have
everyone get quiet all of a sudden. No, don't use this list in place of
reporting outages to the appropriate NOC, but it is nice to be clued in
on Fiber Cuts and other Outages or other Network Operator news that helps
one be just a little bit more clued-in when the phone starts ringing and
all the lusers start asking "Are WE down???" ;-)

I Co-locate at a place that's plugged into almost everybody else and I'd
have to tell you that I hear about problems here before anywhere else
(if at all). For that I am thankfull ... and I'll go back to being mostly
quiet on here.

At 04:50 PM 1/4/99 -0700, Pete Kruckenberg wrote:
>On Mon, 4 Jan 1999, David Diaz wrote:
>> In the last 6 weeks I have noticed a major drop off in nanog postings.  
>> I'm not complaining as we all know how many posts we go a day.  
>> Recently I almost miss the number of posts :).  What I am a great deal
>> concerned about is that a request numerous times to "watch what you
>> post" as well as scoldings on the list have made people gunshy.
>I've always found it interesting that there is such a huge difference
>between the set of regular posters on a list and the set of people who
>complain about inappropriate postings.
>Compare the discussions on this list to any number of conversations that
>happen at NANOG meetings. I don't ever recall someone getting up during a
>presentation and asking the speaker not to mention irrelevant topics, and
>I am pretty certain that it costs people a heck of a lot more to travel to
>NANOG than they pay for email access.
>This whole issue of relevance is, well, irrelevant. The fact of the matter
>is, not every message is going to be relevant to every subscriber. I
>believe this is the North American Network Operators' Group, not the "Big
>5 Network Operators Group" or the "DS-3-or-higher Network Operators
>Group", so there are going to inherently be different levels of relevance
>to the various members of this mailing list.
>I suspect that many discussions here probably aren't relevant to large
>chunks of the group. I didn't hear any all-Bay or all-Ascend shops ask
>that the recent discussion about Cisco config-checkers was irrelevant,
>though it certainly wasn't very relevant to them. The complaints posted
>regarding the Exodus outage were probably relevant to Exodus customers, as
>well as to people who would be passing along information on outages to
>Exodus services. The complaints seemed to imply that because it wasn't
>relevant to everyone on the list, or to at least a lot of people, it
>shouldn't have been posted.
>I have to agree with Dave completely. I believe that it is way too extreme
>to jump on a message just simply because it represents something that
>could be a threat in the future. Yea, if everyone posted a message to
>NANOG everytime a /32 went down, it would be a problem. But wouldn't it
>also be a problem if everyone made their opinion known about any other
>topic on this list? Maybe when that starts happening, there could be some
>discussion about solving an /actual/ problem, not about preventing a
>potential problem.
>I, for one, would like to encourage that this forum be a place to discuss
>anything that is even remotely related to network operations, whether it
>be outages, management, whatever.
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