Monitoring, Flow Stats (Re: spam whore, norcal-systems)

Dean Anderson dean at
Wed Feb 3 19:12:55 UTC 1999

At 12:55 PM 2/3/1999 -0500, Christopher Neill wrote:
>On Tue, Feb 02, 1999 at 09:43:41PM -0500, Dean Anderson wrote:
>> Of course, this is all moot with mutual consent. But then you have to show
>> where Norcal signed off on Verio's policy. Since they aren't Verio's
>> customer, it doesn't seem likely they agreed to Verio's policy.  And of
>> course, if Norcal claims they didn't agree to allow Verio to monitor and
>> publish their traffic, and Verio has no paper that Norcal did agree, it
>> seems difficult for Verio to prove that Norcal did agree.  Which adds up to
>> something called "exposure".
>Read our policy:
>Our customer, let's call them "X", agrees to our policy. Our policy
clearly states that their connection is at will, and can be terminated or
restricted at any time by us.
>So there you have it, CYA.

I did read it. It seems to be geared to dialin users.  It mentions 2701
(stored communications) and says it will comply with applicable laws.

However, perhaps you could send me a copy of the agreement that I signed
with Verio. Or perhaps you can give me a copy of the agreement Norcal
signed with Verio.  

I'm two providers away from Verio.  Norcal is 3 providers away from Verio.

Privacy laws apply to our communications that go through Verio.  That was
the purpose: To control your behavior when given access to our communications.

But you also didn't answer answer the big question: Does Verio think that
it can monitor and publish the communications that pass through it?
Apparently it does.  Your Peers should take note of that.  Their customers
should take note of that, too.


           Plain Aviation, Inc                  dean at

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