Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should be removed?
Barry Shein
bzs at world.std.com
Thu Oct 1 07:11:06 UTC 1998
Well, I'll grant this response is much better than your initial
sarcastic remarks.
Do I want regulators involved in some of these processes? At this
point, I'm not sure, perhaps.
I do think the total inability of the community to regulate or govern
itself is, at this point, a sad fact.
On September 30, 1998 at 15:31 karl at best.net (Karl Mueller) wrote:
> >
> >I'm not sure what your problem is or what prompted this childish
> >remark. I'm sorry if I presented what I believe to have been a
> >reasoned comment with evidence and documentation etc. and somehow
> >elicted this from you. I can't figure out why, however.
> >
> [...]
>
> Really, Barry, it never ceases to amaze me how people turn
> their particular experience or view of something on the Internet
> into what reality is or what should happen. After all Barry,
> YOU have seen .to domains used for criminal activities, and
> none of them to the contrary! Oh-my-God! That must mean
> that the whole TLD is nothing but a joke, or a haven for these people.
> I'd laugh but it's not really funny.
>
> See, originally I was going to write an email on how Tonga had
> contacted IANA to run this idea of a registry by them. After all,
> it is their domain and they saw a business opportunity. Given
> that we have certain other TLDs selling domains (say, oh, .COM and .NET),
> I think the IANA figured it was their TLD to do with as they pleased.
> (within reason, of course)
>
> Now, a good possible issue you could have brought up is .to addresses
> being used outside of Tonga, although I think this is a pretty moot
> point. But, reality is that it's silly to use DNS (or really anything else)
> to try and pinpoint geography on the Internet. Unless you are suggesting
> a plan to monitor inverse DNS mapping, I don't think there's much
> you can do here.
>
> Instead, you choose to bring up spamming activities and criminal
> activities. Well, gee, when was the last time you contacted the
> InterNIC over a spam issue, Barry? Like TONIC, it's a *public* registry.
> Like TONIC, it has *nothing* to do with spamming issues.
>
> It would be completely out of line for the NANOG and other communities
> to try and address the real problem of spamming by looking
> at TLDs. That is completely missing the problem, and a waste of time.
> Not only that, but it gets regulators interested in the wrong
> area. Do you really want regulators deciding what you can and cannot
> do with domain names or TLDs? Think about it. (and that's a different
> issue than whether it's legal to spam with a domain)
>
> My apologies to cc'ing NANOG again. I tried to make light of
> the idiocies but failed.
>
> Karl
>
> P.S. My affiliation with Best has nothing to do with this. TONIC could
> move easily to another ISP.
>
> P.P.S. Your "points" about them running a humerous version of
> sendmail scare me because they're so bogus.
--
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