ORBS: Another Vigilante Group

Sat Nov 21 23:30:52 UTC 1998

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<VIC-20-MODE>
What makes you think 
that a global network 
of private networks 
is a democratic forum?  
Who's definition of 
"democratic?"  
You don't even live 
in the same democracy 
as the majority of the 
users on the net (you 
are in Canada and not 
the U.S.A.)  Should 
your definition of 
democracy override 
their definition of 
the same?  One of the 
founding principles 
of a democracy is 
the right to private 
property.  Every 
piece of equipment 
on this network which 
is not owned by the 
various governments is 
by definition private 
property.  If you want a 
democratic network, 
go create a government 
body to buy all of 
the equipment and pay 
for all of the comm. 
links and then that 
government body can run 
their network in whatever 
form of "democracy" they 
choose.  Until then, 
the people who own the 
equipment and directly pay 
the comm. bills have the 
right to protect their 
networks as they see 
fit.  If their customers 
don't like the way their 
provider does business 
they always have the 
right to choose a 
different 
provider.  
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Furthermore in the U.S.A. they have the democratic right to freedom of
association.  If they don't want to associate (do business with or
communicate) with spammers, net-kooks or anyone else for that matter
it is their right not to do so.  Your right to free speech ends at the
private property line/perimeter routers of their network.  

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-nanog at merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog at merit.edu]On Behalf Of
Bob Allisat
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 1998 7:00 AM
To: Lawrence A. Deleski
Cc: nanog at merit.edu
Subject: Re: ORBS: Another Vigilante Group

Larry writes:
> You are wrong, these people *are* elected.  They are elected by 
> the millions of users who do not want spam.  The answer is simple 
> but for some reason you refuse to see it.  I would gladly grant 
> all necessary authority to my ISP to act in any way that benefits 
> me and my wishes.

 Nonsense. Democratic forums are
 open, transparent, accountable,

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