NOC communications

Derek Elder delder at
Tue Jul 14 14:26:22 UTC 1998

The thing that needs to be understood is that if we as an industry don't fix
this problem, the government will fix it for us.  The government won't care
if there is a distinction between a "Big" or "Small" guy amongst ISP's
anymore than they will between SBC or BellSouth and some Mom&Pop local

I think that this attitude is -precisely- what the legislators will decide
to fix.


Derek Elder
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-----Original Message-----
From: Hui-Hui Hu [mailto:hhui at]
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 12:44 AM
To: delder at
Subject: Re: NOC communications

OK, but large providers don't want to talk to small providers. It's
a stated policy of many networks to refer a smaller customer/provider
to their upstream. I only want to talk to someone who's competent
(I get really sick of kids who have just discovered traceroute and
send me e-mail, or worse yet call me, because they don't understand
what "administratively denied" means) .

My point is only that there is always a pecking order and by making
network ops egalitarian you end up with a high signal/noise ratio,
or worse yet, all the people who actually are relevant leave.
(Witness NANOG: half the people from MCI etc. don't read any more)

I don't have a solution, unfortunately. Sigh.


: Shouldn't be that hard to verify that someone is actually a network
: provider.  Criteria is, run a public network, you qualify.  Pretty simple.

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