AS8584 taking over the internet

Fri Apr 10 03:52:11 UTC 1998

PSINet recently announced free private peering for any ISP buying
transit.

How might this affect the frequency of AS8584-type problems?
Bill Goldstein
Senior Internet Specialist
AT&T
wgoldstein at att.com
TEL:(412)642-7288

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   From: Joe Provo - Network Architect <jprovo at ultra.net>
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   [snip]
   > I believe that the implication was that: 1) they're not directly
   > connected to any of the major _US_ backbones, and 2) they're on the
   > other end of a fairly thin hose.
   > 
   > And they can _still_ hose things this badly.
   > 
   > This speaks not well of the architecture involved.

   No, no, it speaks _well_ for the architecture - equal opportunity
   hosage!  There is no backone-hasage cabale; all that enter into bgp
   relationships can have a shot at hurting the net...

   ObContent:
     - yes, filters are Good.  customers, especially if new to
   complicated
       things, should have both as-path and prefix filters placed
   against 
       them.  the questions to ask oneself regarding peers is "how
   clueful
       are they, really?  and do their procedures allow only these
   clueful
       into the boxes?  am I willing to tie my performance/reliability/
       reputation to theirs in this intimate a fashion? are my bosses
       willing to do so? "  People like to think in terms of the first 
       question, not the last two.
     - yes, the IRR is good (and yes, their PGP implementation works);
       giving third parties the ability to verify your organization's
       "routing intent" cannot be construed as bad -- the data is
   publicly
       visible.  there's nothing to hide.
     - yes, filtering doesn't mean not pushing IRR (or other forms of 
       distributed data) on folks. IRR (or ...) doesn't mean not trying
       to more closely tie authentication/verification vs realtime;
   present
       tools are config-only, which aren't dynamic enough for the real
   net.

   joe

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