Class "B" forsale (fwd)

Karl Denninger karl at Mcs.Net
Sun Mar 9 18:22:43 UTC 1997

On Sun, Mar 09, 1997 at 10:09:49AM -0800, Jim Browning wrote:
> >From:  Vab Goel[SMTP:vgoel at]
> >Sent:  Saturday, March 08, 1997 10:18 PM
> >
> >>On Sat, 8 Mar 1997, Pete Kruckenberg wrote:
> >
> >> What kinds of guarantees are there that if someone buys it, that they
> >>will  actually be able to get and keep this Class B?
> >
> >If buyer & seller make a deal, with the current model buyer will be able
> >to use it without any problem.
> When what is actually happening differs wildly from documented policies, it 
> is a pretty good sign that something needs to change. RFCs should either be 
> followed or changed.  Otherwise a crack is opened which may allow splinter 
> groups to define their own policies in other areas (AlterNIC, etc.)
> -
> Jim Browning

Under RFC2008, addresses delegated prior to October 1996 have been presumed 
to be, in many cases, "owned".  RFC2008 both documented prior practice and 
introduced a new practice.  

RFC2008 is, IMHO, in many ways a watershed document as it applies to IP 
numbers and their assignment.

Please read the RFC.

Now if you got an address block with the STIPULATION that its not owned,
then that's different.  But absent a declaration for delegations which took
place before October of last year, the *presumption* has been, in many
cases, that delegations in fact do transfer ownership, and that has in 
fact been practiced throughout the Internet community.  This is particularly
true for assignments which would otherwise be portable (ie: /19s and larger)
if made today.

It CERTAINLY applies to a /16 in the Class "B" historical space; that IS
globally valid under today's practice.

You can change things going forward. You *can't* redefine history.  It 
doesn't work that way.

BTW, I'm one of the "good guys" in this debate folks -- before you start
taking cheap shots.  I returned an /11 (yep, 32 Class "B"s) when VideOcart 
Inc. folded, and didn't have to -- my name was listed as the coordinator.  
I knew that I would probably NEVER be able to justify the efficient 
utilization of that much space, and I had no interest in trying to sell 
or otherwise "deal" in it.

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