Nameserver madness

Ray Davis ray at carpe.net
Wed Jul 23 11:24:41 UTC 1997


> Ok folks, this has gone way too far.
>
> First and foremost, let me clear a few points up.
>
> 1)	I never supported Eugene's antics or his piracy (nor cache
> 	poisoning) which he engaged in.
>
> 2)	We updated our BIND versions on ALL our nameservers, including the
> 	two listed below, within a few hours of his games beginning, so that
> 	we would NOT distribute or load bad data.
>
> 3)	We *DO* run a completely separate faction of enhanced DNS, known as
> 	eDNS.  This has NOTHING to do with Mr. Kaspuereff or his antics.  
>
> 4)	Our nameservers were not "polluted", nor will they be in the future.
> 	We are running BIND 8.1.1 which prevents this from happening.
>
> 5)	We do not, never did, and won't support the kinds of games which
> 	Eugene pulled.  I disagree *vehemently* with the IAHC and iPOC, and
> 	believe their process is both improper and possibly illegal.
> 	Nonetheless, that you believe someone is breaking the law and
> 	all boundaries of ethics does *NOT* entitle you to go and do the
> 	same in "retaliation".  Two wrongs do NOT make a right.
>
> 6)	Your blocking of the IP addresses is *NOT* effective.  Eugene's
> 	stunt was not quite as simple as you might think; he was
> 	deliberately hitting nameservers with recursive requests to force
> 	them to load his data.  You would have to isolate yourself ENTIRELY
> 	to be completely free of the problem through your method.  The
> 	PROPER fix is to load the newer BIND code which doesn't suffer from
> 	the weakness which was being exploited.
>
> MCSNet will take immediate and strong retaliatory action against *ANY*
> ISP which blockades our network in this fashion.  It is one thing to
> block packets from our network for something which we have in fact done.
> It is quite another to do so based on "guilt by association" and flat-out
> untruths.
>
> It is my hope that you will reconsider this insanity, and drop the filters
> in 192.160.127.x.  We are *NOT* your enemies, but we can become them if you
> insist on it.
>
> A prompt response is appreciated and expected.

Karl,

I never said anything about your politics or association with
Kashpureff.  But it also isn't as simple as you and Paul seem to
think (i.e. upgrade to a new bind).

The fact remains that one or more of your nameservers are being
pointed to by the alternic root.  I know that talking with Kashpureff's
nameservers may pollute my nameservers or one of my customers
nameservers.  If his nameservers are pointing to your nameservers
then there is a high likelihood that his nameservers have been talking
to your nameservers.  I have no control over your nameservers and
have no way of being absolutely sure they are not polluted.  At the
moment I do not have time to build and install N binds on N machines
and even if I did, it would not help my customers who may not even
know *how* to upgrade to a new bind.  So if keeping my net from
speaking to Kashpureff's nameservers and the known quantity that his
nameservers talk to reduces the risk to my and my customer's nameservers,
then so be it.

This seems like a logical and reasonable approach to me and is the
quickest thing I could think of to limit our risk.  If you have a
better solution, then I'm all ears.

We are not your enemy either, but it is not our fault you picked
Kashpureff to do business with previously.  Maybe you should get him
to quit pointing to your IPs?  You never know when he'll uncover the
next bug that effects the latest bind releases.  Who knows - maybe
it will only effect the latest bind and everyone with a supposedly
"fixed" nameserver will be dead in the water.

As for blocking your net:  I'm blocking the specific IPs - not your
whole net.  I'm not impressed by your threats either.  We have the
right to allow or disallow whatever we want within our net.

Cheers,
Ray

> Sincerely,
>
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>
> >Following is the text of a message on the NANOG list , from Ray Davis
> >[ray at carpe.net]
> >
> >Why not just block all his garbage NSes and the fantasy NSes he's pointing
> >to?  A quick scan of 'dig 
> >@nyc.alternic.net . axfr' reveals the entries I've enclosed at the bottom. 
> >The unique IPs in this list are below and we've blocked them all at our
> >border so none of out NSes can get polluted by them.  Why not do the same?
> >Cheers,
> >Ray
> >===== Unique set of IPs from the alternic fantasy tld list ====
> >151.189.0.25
> >192.160.127.125
> >192.160.127.90
> >193.0.0.193
> >194.106.36.1
> >194.72.236.3
> >194.97.200.20
> >198.199.168.92
> >198.80.71.68
> >198.80.71.70
> >199.166.24.1
> >199.181.164.1
> >199.181.164.2
> >202.185.231.4
> >202.185.254.12
> >204.182.105.150
> >204.199.0.2
> >204.199.0.3
> >204.80.125.130
> >204.80.125.145
> >204.94.42.1
> >204.94.42.2
> >204.94.42.5
> >204.94.43.1
> >205.184.14.8
> >205.206.189.3
> >205.215.60.5
> >205.215.60.6
> >206.117.26.219
> >206.117.26.220
> >206.25.132.30
> >206.71.77.2
> >206.71.77.4
> >207.107.232.3
> >207.174.25.15
> >207.180.91.9
> >207.32.128.1
> >207.32.128.131
> >207.51.48.15
> >207.51.48.5
> >207.51.48.8
> >208.1.127.6
> >208.133.32.70
> >208.139.0.16
> >208.139.0.26
> >208.195.108.10
> >208.195.108.9
> >====
> >
> >===== Output from 'dig @nyc.alternic.net . axfr' with valid TLDs edited out
> >==
> >	86400	SOA	MX.ALTERNIC.NET. ROOT.MX.ALTERNIC.NET. (
> >			1997072123	; serial
> >			10800	; refresh (3 hours)
> >			900	; retry (15 mins)
> >			604800	; expire (7 days)
> >			86400 )	; minimum (1 day)
> >	518400	NS	NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	207.51.48.15
> >	518400	NS	IPERDOME.PER.
> >IPERDOME.PER.	604800	A	208.133.32.70
> >	518400	NS	EEK.HTTPD.COM.
> >EEK.HTTPD.COM.	86400	A	204.182.105.150
> >	518400	NS	MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >MX.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
> >A.	172000	NS	NS3.TRIVALLEY.COM.
> >I.	172000	NS	NS3.TRIVALLEY.COM.
> >NS3.TRIVALLEY.COM                       206.25.132.30
> >DIR.	172000	NS	SKYSCAPE.NET.
> >SKYSCAPE.NET.	172000	A	207.107.232.3
> >DIR.	172000	NS	FASTLANE.CA.
> >FASTLANE.CA.	172000	A	205.206.189.3
> >INC.	172000	NS	NS1.GLOBECOMM.NET.
> >NS1.GLOBECOMM.NET.	172000	A	207.51.48.5
> >INC.	172000	NS	NS2.GLOBECOMM.NET.
> >NS2.GLOBECOMM.NET.	172000	A	207.51.48.8
> >PORNO.	518000	NS	MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >MX.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
> >PORNO.	518000	NS	NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	207.51.48.15
> >PORNO.	518000	NS	ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.2
> >PORNO.	518000	NS	EEK.HTTPD.COM.
> >EEK.HTTPD.COM.	86400	A	204.182.105.150
> >PORNO.	518000	NS	IPERDOME.PER.
> >IPERDOME.PER.	604800	A	208.133.32.70
> >PORNO.	518000	NS	NS1.BELFAIR.NET.
> >NS1.BELFAIR.NET.	86400	A	204.94.43.1
> >PORNO.	518000	NS	CLUBLOVE.XXX.
> >CLUBLOVE.XXX.	386400	A	208.139.0.16
> >PORNO.	518000	NS	PENTHOUSELIVE.XXX.
> >PENTHOUSELIVE.XXX.	186400	A	208.139.0.26
> >USVI.	172000	NS	NS1.USVI.NET.
> >NS1.USVI.NET.	172000	A	204.199.0.2
> >USVI.	172000	NS	NS2.USVI.NET.
> >NS2.USVI.NET.	172000	A	204.199.0.3
> >TLD.	172000	NS	DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
> >DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	198.199.168.92
> >TLD.	172000	NS	NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
> >NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	15228	A	207.180.91.9
> >TLD.	172000	NS	NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
> >NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	208.195.108.9
> >NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	208.195.108.10
> >FILM.	172000	NS	SKYSCAPE.NET.
> >SKYSCAPE.NET.	172000	A	207.107.232.3
> >FILM.	172000	NS	FASTLANE.CA.
> >FASTLANE.CA.	172000	A	205.206.189.3
> >DOT.	172000	NS	LONEPEAK.VII.COM.
> >LONEPEAK.VII.COM.	172000	A	206.71.77.2
> >DOT.	172000	NS	OLYMPUS.VII.COM.
> >OLYMPUS.VII.COM.	172000	A	206.71.77.4
> >GMBH.	86400	NS	ns.germany.net.
> >ns.germany.net.	172000	A	151.189.0.25
> >GMBH.	86400	NS	ns.seicom.net.
> >ns.seicom.net.	172000	A	194.97.200.20
> >NUM.	172000	NS	NS1.NUM.NET.
> >NS1.NUM.NET.	172000	A	205.215.60.5
> >NUM.	172000	NS	NS2.NUM.NET.
> >NS2.NUM.NET.	172000	A	205.215.60.6
> >888.	172000	NS	NS1.VRX.NET.
> >NS1.VRX.NET.	172000	A	199.166.24.1
> >XXX.	518000	NS	MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >MX.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
> >XXX.	518000	NS	NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	207.51.48.15
> >XXX.	518000	NS	ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.2
> >XXX.	518000	NS	EEK.HTTPD.COM.
> >EEK.HTTPD.COM.	86400	A	204.182.105.150
> >FAM.	172000	NS	RS1.LANMINDS.COM.
> >RS1.LANMINDS.COM.	172000	A	208.1.127.6
> >FAM.	172000	NS	RS2.LANMINDS.NET.
> >RS2.LANMINDS.NET.	172000	A	207.174.25.15
> >PER.	604800	NS	NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	207.51.48.15
> >PER.	604800	NS	IPERDOME.PER.
> >IPERDOME.PER.	604800	A	208.133.32.70
> >PER.	604800	NS	MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >MX.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
> >FAQ.	172000	NS	NS1.VRX.NET.
> >NS1.VRX.NET.	172000	A	199.166.24.1
> >GLOBE.	172000	NS	NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.
> >NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.	172000	A	206.117.26.220
> >GLOBE.	172000	NS	NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.
> >NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.	172000	A	206.117.26.219
> >GAMES.	172000	NS	NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.
> >NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.	172000	A	206.117.26.220
> >GAMES.	172000	NS	NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.
> >NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.	172000	A	206.117.26.219
> >MALL.	172000	NS	NS.UNETY.NET.
> >NS.UNETY.NET.	172000	A	207.32.128.1
> >MALL.	172000	NS	NS.UNETY.COM.
> >NS.UNETY.COM.	172000	A	207.32.128.131
> >RADIO.	172000	NS	SKYSCAPE.NET.
> >SKYSCAPE.NET.	172000	A	207.107.232.3
> >RADIO.	172000	NS	FASTLANE.CA.
> >FASTLANE.CA.	172000	A	205.206.189.3
> >TRAVEL.	518000	NS	MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >MX.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
> >TRAVEL.	518000	NS	NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	207.51.48.15
> >TRAVEL.	518000	NS	ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.2
> >JPN.	518000	NS	MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >MX.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
> >JPN.	518000	NS	NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	207.51.48.15
> >JPN.	518000	NS	ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.2
> >ZOO.	172000	NS	NS1.VRX.NET.
> >NS1.VRX.NET.	172000	A	199.166.24.1
> >ENT.	172000	NS	FASTLANE.CA.
> >FASTLANE.CA.	172000	A	205.206.189.3
> >ENT.	172000	NS	SKYSCAPE.NET.
> >SKYSCAPE.NET.	172000	A	207.107.232.3
> >ENT.	172000	NS	SKYSCAPE.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >ASIA.	172000	NS	NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.
> >NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.	172000	A	206.117.26.220
> >ASIA.	172000	NS	NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.
> >NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.	172000	A	206.117.26.219
> >NS.RIPE.NET.	172800	A	193.0.0.193
> >LAW.	172000	NS	NS1.GLOBECOMM.NET.
> >NS1.GLOBECOMM.NET.	172000	A	207.51.48.5
> >LAW.	172000	NS	NS2.GLOBECOMM.NET.
> >NS2.GLOBECOMM.NET.	172000	A	207.51.48.8
> >VID.	172000	NS	DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
> >DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	198.199.168.92
> >VID.	172000	NS	NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
> >NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	15228	A	207.180.91.9
> >VID.	172000	NS	NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
> >NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	208.195.108.9
> >NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	208.195.108.10
> >GAY.	172000	NS	ANAESTHESIA.COGNOSCENTI.ORG.
> >ANAESTHESIA.COGNOSCENTI.ORG.	172000	A	198.80.71.70
> >GAY.	172000	NS	SYNAESTHESIA.COGNOSCENTI.ORG.
> >SYNAESTHESIA.COGNOSCENTI.ORG.	172000	A	198.80.71.68
> >GAY.	172000	NS	NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	207.51.48.15
> >GAY.	172000	NS	MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >MX.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
> >HELP.	172000	NS	SKYSCAPE.NET.
> >SKYSCAPE.NET.	172000	A	207.107.232.3
> >HELP.	172000	NS	FASTLANE.CA.
> >FASTLANE.CA.	172000	A	205.206.189.3
> >FUND.	172000	NS	SKYSCAPE.NET.
> >SKYSCAPE.NET.	172000	A	207.107.232.3
> >FUND.	172000	NS	FASTLANE.CA.
> >FASTLANE.CA.	172000	A	205.206.189.3
> >URL.	172000	NS	DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
> >DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	198.199.168.92
> >URL.	172000	NS	NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
> >NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	15228	A	207.180.91.9
> >URL.	172000	NS	NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
> >NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	208.195.108.9
> >NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	208.195.108.10
> >HIGGS.	172000	NS	NS1.HIGGS.NET.
> >NS1.HIGGS.NET.	172000	A	204.80.125.130
> >HIGGS.	172000	NS	NS2.HIGGS.NET.
> >NS2.HIGGS.NET.	172000	A	204.80.125.145
> >ARTS.	172000	NS	FASTLANE.CA.
> >FASTLANE.CA.	172000	A	205.206.189.3
> >ARTS.	172000	NS	SKYSCAPE.NET.
> >SKYSCAPE.NET.	172000	A	207.107.232.3
> >LIVE.	518000	NS	iperdome.per.
> >iperdome.per.	604800	A	208.133.32.70
> >LIVE.	518000	NS	ns1.starfire.douglas.ma.us.
> >ns1.starfire.douglas.ma.us.	15228	A	207.180.91.9
> >GEO.	172000	NS	DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
> >DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	198.199.168.92
> >GEO.	172000	NS	NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
> >NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	15228	A	207.180.91.9
> >GEO.	172000	NS	NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
> >NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	208.195.108.9
> >NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	208.195.108.10
> >EUR.	172000	NS	NS1.WEBSERVICES.NET.
> >NS1.WEBSERVICES.NET.	172000	A	194.106.36.1
> >NS1.WEBSERVICES.NET.	172000	A	194.72.236.3
> >EUR.	172000	NS	NS2.WEBSERVICES.NET.
> >NS2.WEBSERVICES.NET.	172800	A	194.72.236.3
> >GER.	86400	NS	ns.germany.net.
> >ns.germany.net.	172000	A	151.189.0.25
> >GER.	86400	NS	ns.seicom.net.
> >ns.seicom.net.	172000	A	194.97.200.20
> >KSA.	172000	NS	NS1.ALASKAONE.COM.
> >NS1.ALASKAONE.COM.	172000	A	205.184.14.8
> >KSA.	172000	NS	NS2.ALASKAONE.COM.
> >NS2.ALASKAONE.COM.	172000	A	205.184.14.8
> >EXP.	518000	NS	MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >MX.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
> >EXP.	518000	NS	NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	207.51.48.15
> >EXP.	518000	NS	ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.2
> >EXP.	518000	NS	EEK.HTTPD.COM.
> >EEK.HTTPD.COM.	86400	A	204.182.105.150
> >LLB.	172000	NS	NS1.VRX.NET.
> >NS1.VRX.NET.	172000	A	199.166.24.1
> >KIDS.	172000	NS	NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.
> >NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.	172000	A	206.117.26.220
> >KIDS.	172000	NS	NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.
> >NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.	172000	A	206.117.26.219
> >HAM.	172000	NS	DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
> >DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	198.199.168.92
> >HAM.	172000	NS	NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
> >NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	208.195.108.9
> >NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	208.195.108.10
> >KTI.	172000	NS	DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
> >DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	198.199.168.92
> >KTI.	172000	NS	NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
> >NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	15228	A	207.180.91.9
> >KTI.	172000	NS	NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
> >NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	208.195.108.9
> >NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	208.195.108.10
> >BANK.	172000	NS	SKYSCAPE.NET.
> >SKYSCAPE.NET.	172000	A	207.107.232.3
> >BANK.	172000	NS	FASTLANE.CA.
> >FASTLANE.CA.	172000	A	205.206.189.3
> >MED.	518000	NS	MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >MX.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
> >MED.	518000	NS	NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	207.51.48.15
> >MED.	518000	NS	EEK.HTTPD.COM.
> >EEK.HTTPD.COM.	86400	A	204.182.105.150
> >MED.	518000	NS	ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.2
> >PORN.	172000	NS	NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	207.51.48.15
> >PORN.	172000	NS	ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.2
> >PORN.	172000	NS	EEK.HTTPD.COM.
> >EEK.HTTPD.COM.	86400	A	204.182.105.150
> >PORN.	172000	NS	NS1.BELFAIR.NET.
> >NS1.BELFAIR.NET.	86400	A	204.94.43.1
> >PORN.	172000	NS	IPERDOME.PER.
> >IPERDOME.PER.	604800	A	208.133.32.70
> >PORN.	172000	NS	MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >MX.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
> >FREE.	172000	NS	NS.ALPHAQUE.COM.
> >NS.ALPHAQUE.COM.	172000	A	202.185.254.12
> >FREE.	172000	NS	NS2.ALPHAQUE.COM.
> >NS2.ALPHAQUE.COM.	172000	A	202.185.231.4
> >BIZ.	172000	NS	CEREBUS.MCS.COM.
> >CEREBUS.MCS.COM.	172000	A	192.160.127.125
> >BIZ.	172000	NS	KITTEN.MCS.COM.
> >KITTEN.MCS.COM.	172000	A	192.160.127.90
> >ART.	172000	NS	FASTLANE.CA.
> >FASTLANE.CA.	172000	A	205.206.189.3
> >ART.	172000	NS	SKYSCAPE.NET.
> >SKYSCAPE.NET.	172000	A	207.107.232.3
> >LNX.	518000	NS	MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >MX.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
> >LNX.	518000	NS	NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	207.51.48.15
> >LNX.	518000	NS	ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.2
> >LNX.	518000	NS	EEK.HTTPD.COM.
> >EEK.HTTPD.COM.	86400	A	204.182.105.150
> >ZONE.	172000	NS	NS1.USVI.NET.
> >NS1.USVI.NET.	172000	A	204.199.0.2
> >ZONE.	172000	NS	NS2.USVI.NET.
> >NS2.USVI.NET.	172000	A	204.199.0.3
> >SEA.	172000	NS	DNS1.SEANET.COM.
> >DNS1.SEANET.COM.	172000	A	199.181.164.1
> >SEA.	172000	NS	DNS2.SEANET.COM.
> >DNS2.SEANET.COM.	172000	A	199.181.164.2
> >LTD.	518000	NS	MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >MX.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
> >LTD.	518000	NS	NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	207.51.48.15
> >LTD.	518000	NS	ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.2
> >LTD.	518000	NS	EEK.HTTPD.COM.
> >EEK.HTTPD.COM.	86400	A	204.182.105.150
> >NETZ.	86400	NS	ns.germany.net.
> >ns.germany.net.	172000	A	151.189.0.25
> >NETZ.	86400	NS	ns.seicom.net.
> >ns.seicom.net.	172000	A	194.97.200.20
> >TOUR.	172000	NS	NS1.USVI.NET.
> >NS1.USVI.NET.	172000	A	204.199.0.2
> >TOUR.	172000	NS	NS2.USVI.NET.
> >NS2.USVI.NET.	172000	A	204.199.0.3
> >CHIRO.	518000	NS	iperdome.per.
> >iperdome.per.	604800	A	208.133.32.70
> >CHIRO.	518000	NS	ns1.starfire.douglas.ma.us.
> >ns1.starfire.douglas.ma.us.	15228	A	207.180.91.9
> >SEX.	172000	NS	FASTLANE.CA.
> >FASTLANE.CA.	172000	A	205.206.189.3
> >SEX.	172000	NS	SKYSCAPE.NET.
> >SKYSCAPE.NET.	172000	A	207.107.232.3
> >SEX.	172000	NS	SKYSCAPE.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >CITY.	172000	NS	DNS1.SEANET.COM.
> >DNS1.SEANET.COM.	172000	A	199.181.164.1
> >CITY.	172000	NS	DNS2.SEANET.COM.
> >DNS2.SEANET.COM.	172000	A	199.181.164.2
> >NEWS.	172000	NS	NS1.HIGGS.NET.
> >NS1.HIGGS.NET.	172000	A	204.80.125.130
> >NEWS.	172000	NS	NS2.HIGGS.NET.
> >NS2.HIGGS.NET.	172000	A	204.80.125.145
> >NIC.	518000	NS	MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >MX.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
> >NIC.	518000	NS	NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	207.51.48.15
> >NIC.	518000	NS	ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.2
> >NIC.	518000	NS	EEK.HTTPD.COM.
> >EEK.HTTPD.COM.	86400	A	204.182.105.150
> >NIC.	518000	NS	ALTER.NIC.
> >ALTER.NIC.	86400	A	204.94.42.5
> >ALTER.NIC.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
> >NIC.	518000	NS	ALTERNIC.NIC.
> >ALTERNIC.NIC.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
> >NIC.	518000	NS	WWW.ALTER.NIC.
> >WWW.ALTER.NIC.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
> >NIC.	518000	NS	WWW.ALTERNIC.NET.
> >WWW.ALTERNIC.NET.	186400	A	204.94.42.1
> >WWW.ALTERNIC.NET.	186400	A	207.51.48.15
> >NIC.	518000	NS	IPERDOME.PER.
> >IPERDOME.PER.	604800	A	208.133.32.70
> >NIC.	518000	NS	WWW.PER.
> >WWW.PER.	604800	A	208.133.32.70
> >NIC.	518000	NS	MAIL.PER.
> >MAIL.PER.	604800	A	208.133.32.70
> >CORP.	172000	NS	CEREBUS.MCS.COM.
> >CEREBUS.MCS.COM.	172000	A	192.160.127.125
> >CORP.	172000	NS	KITTEN.MCS.COM.
> >KITTEN.MCS.COM.	172000	A	192.160.127.90
> >GALLERY.	172000	NS	NS1.VRX.NET.
> >NS1.VRX.NET.	172000	A	199.166.24.1
> >DDS.	172000	NS	NS1.VRX.NET.
> >NS1.VRX.NET.	172000	A	199.166.24.1
> >SKY.	172000	NS	FASTLANE.CA.
> >FASTLANE.CA.	172000	A	205.206.189.3
> >SKY.	172000	NS	SKYSCAPE.NET.
> >SKYSCAPE.NET.	172000	A	207.107.232.3
> >PRICES.	172000	NS	NS1.VRX.NET.
> >NS1.VRX.NET.	172000	A	199.166.24.1
> >EMAIL.	172000	NS	NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.
> >NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.	172000	A	206.117.26.220
> >EMAIL.	172000	NS	NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.
> >NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.	172000	A	206.117.26.219
> >800.	172000	NS	NS1.VRX.NET.
> >NS1.VRX.NET.	172000	A	199.166.24.1
> >VIDEO.	172000	NS	DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
> >DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	198.199.168.92
> >VIDEO.	172000	NS	NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
> >NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	208.195.108.9
> >NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	208.195.108.10
> >============================================================================
> >==
> >root
> >
> >-- 
> >david at DELETETHIS.speco.com
> >
> >To reply, remove 'DELETETHIS'  from e-mail address
> >
> >Karl Denninger <karl at MCS.COM> wrote in article
> ><5r39c8$75b$1 at Jupiter.Mcs.Net>...
> >> In article <01bc96e4$c6ca5530$0101a8c0 at superduper>,
> >> David Schutt <david at DELETETHIS.speco.com> wrote:
> >> >What in the world is going on with the nameservers? People are blocking
> >> >addresses that are or were associated with Alternic, and that includes
> >> >Cerebus and Kitten. Is this going to cause us MCS users problems?
> >> >-- 
> >> >david at DELETETHIS.speco.com
> >> >
> >> >To reply, remove 'DELETETHIS'  from e-mail address
> >> 
> >> Who's blocking cerebus and kitten?
> >> 
> >> I've seen no evidence of this.  We had nothing to do with the Alternic on
> >> those machines, and Eugene's root has been off for months.
> >> 
> >> --
> >> -- 
> >
>
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