Plethora of UUnet outages and instabilities

Tue Jul 1 14:53:14 UTC 1997

7505 with an RSP4 is a supported configuration.  It can be ordered as the
CISCO7505/4.

At 10:34 AM 7/1/97 -0400, Deepak Jain wrote:
>
>My first question is: Have you ever tried putting an RSP2 in a 7505? It 
>ships with an RSP, second, have you tried putting an RSP4 in a 7505? It 
>works too. Cisco isn't real happy about it, and of course I wouldn't 
>recommend it, but it works.
>
>Next, if your network is that busy, you honestly don't keep that 
>kind of spare/upgrade equipment around?
>
>-Deepak.
>
>On Mon, 30 Jun 1997, Wayne Bouchard wrote:
>
>> Thats my point. It often ISN'T easy. For example, say you've got a
>> 7505 in one spot and find its getting killed. You can't put an rsp4 in
>> a 7505. You've got to replace the router. Anyone got any spare 7507s
>> or 7513s lying around? Chances are that if they do, its 2 or 3.
>> 
>> Its actually going to be a bit more problematic to split the load
>> between two routers since that can mean notable changes in the
>> internal routing or the BGP tables. Not to mention calculating what
>> kind of traffic is going to pass BETWEEN the two routers.
>> 
>> Straightforward, yes. Easy, no.
>> 
>> > Why wouldn't upgrading the router's CPU or splitting the load between two 
>> > separate routers solve the problem? Maybe that's not an overnight 
>> > solution [unless you have spare RSPs in the POP/colo point] but it seems 
>> > pretty straight forward to me.
>> > 
>> > -Deepak.
>> > 
>> > On Mon, 30 Jun 1997, Wayne Bouchard wrote:
>> > 
>> > > I know one of the problems that UUNET has been having (and I believe
>> > > several other folks as well) is high CPU usage on many of their
>> > > routers. (When the ping times to the router itself get high its either
>> > > a congested link or, usually, a router thats spinning hard..) However,
>> > > thats not a problem you can fix easily or fix overnight.
>> > > 
>> > > > Oh God, NYC1.  Look out for that ugly beast...  We are unfortunate
enough
>> > > > to have a connection off of that thing.  The NOC is good, if you're
up for
>> > > > entertainment.  Let me count the times I've heard "what's
traceroute" on
>> > > > the phone with them.  Let me tell you about outages where they
"forgot to
>> > > > take the loopback off the T" for like 6 hours.  Or my favorite
(once you
>> > > > hit a high-level brainwashed engineer) the good old "I don't see *any*
>> > > > packet loss, so everything is OK".  "Yes, but I'm seeing ping times of
>> > > > 500ms to your router, and our line isn't near saturation by a long
>> > > > shot"...  "I don't see any packet loss", etc...
>> > > > 
>> > > > blech.  I would not recommend them to my worst enemy.
>> > > > 
>> > > > Charles
>> > > > 
>> > > > ~~~~~~~~~					     ~~~~~~~~~~~
>> > > > Charles Sprickman 				Internet Channel
>> > > > INCH System Administration Team		   	   (212)243-5200
>> > > > spork at inch.com					 access at inch.com
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > On Mon, 30 Jun 1997, Alex Rubenstein wrote:
>> > > > 
>> > > > > Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 18:18:06 -0400
>> > > > > From: Alex Rubenstein <alex at nac.net>
>> > > > > To: Josh Beck <jbeck at connectnet.com>, nanog at merit.edu
>> > > > > Subject: Re: Plethora of UUnet outages and instabilities
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > All I know is they suck moose nipples, and I disconnected from
them last
>> > > > > week. They have been having problems in/around cr1.nyc1 for
MONTHS now, and
>> > > > > they are doing nothing (that I can see) to fix it. Thier first-level
>> > > > > support is horrendous. One guy once said to me, "Routers have
>> > > > > processors?!". Another hung up when I told him to put "CUSTOMER
IS IRATE"
>> > > > > on the trouble ticket. 
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > There are some GOOD guys over there, but them seem to be
disappearing? (are
>> > > > > you there, Mr. Hannan?)
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > HELLO, GENUITY (anyone who is looking for a new provider, Genuity
is DAMN
>> > > > > good. and a DAMN good NOC. Sales guys are a little whacky, tho).
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > At 02:12 PM 6/30/97 -0700, Josh Beck wrote:
>> > > > > >Has everyone else been seeing the almost daily UUnet outages
recently,
>> > > > > >does anyone know what the true causes of these have been?
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > ---
>> > > > > 
>> > > > >  "Don't go with a spineless ISP;
>> > > > > 	we have more backbone."	
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > Alex Rubenstein -- alex at nac.net -- KC2BUO -- www.nac.net
>> > > > > net @ccess corporation, 201-983-0725 -- 201-983-0725
>> > > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > 
>> > > 
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>> Wayne Bouchard                             GlobalCenter
>> web at primenet.com                           
>> Primenet Network Engineering               Internet Solutions for
>> (602) 416-6422   800-373-2499 x6422        Growing Businesses
>> FAX: (602) 416-9422
>> http://www.primenet.com                    http://www.globalcenter.net
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