[NANOG] Bay Networks in bed with commie censors?

Craig Nordin cnordin at vni.net
Sun Jan 19 14:04:18 UTC 1997

When a sysop from world.std.com gets his network peed on by a spammer
this list was full of a bunch of people who did not even think the
discussion belonged here.  But when we are talking about politics,
the folk want to discuss it as if they are going to do something about
censorship in China.

Why not just say that PRC will do whatever it does, whatever
NANOG discusses and that NANOG will never get in the way.

Is the China issue more attractive -- or maybe just further away?

If you will not do anything about the issue, why not have this discussion
leave the list as well then?


> On Sat, 18 Jan 1997 19:08:39 -0800, avg at pluris.com writes:
> >
> >Ronald Barron Yokubaitis <rony at texas.net> wrote:
> >
> >>MMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmm...........Do the same considerations apply to
> >>BUYING from the PRC?
> >
> >Please.  The original speech was not about trade with PRC which
> >is unquestionably good and desireable; but about cooperation
> >with an organization whose _proclaimed_ goal is to build a
> >politically censored version of Internet, and make uncensored
> >networks completely illegal in PRC.
> You seem to be contradicting yourself. On one hand, you say that trade
> with the PRC is "unquestionably good and desireable". But on the other
> hand you condemn Bay Networks for selling products and technical
> services to the PRC (as you should know, "partner" is marketing-puke
> speak for "they are giving us LOTS of money, so let's make them feel
> special").
> If selling products and support to organizations that construct
> censored networks shouldn't we condemn BOTH Bay Networks and Cisco for
> selling to U.S. corporations that use firewalls and other methods to
> control/monitor employee's access to the Internet?
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> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 22:59:03 -0600
> From: "Jeffrey C. Ollie" <jeff at ollie.clive.ia.us>
> In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 18 Jan 1997 19:08:39 PST."
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> Subject: Re: [NANOG] Bay Networks in bed with commie censors? 
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