Bay Networks in bed with commie censors?

Jon Green jcgreen at
Thu Jan 16 02:47:53 UTC 1997

On Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:16:29 -0800, avg at writes:
>>Not everything is a freeking conspiracy either.
>Did i say anything about any conspiracy?
>What we have is a company which does not give a damn
>about such abstract notions as liberty and freedom.
>Not the first one, not the last one.

What we seem to have here is someone who apparently has a problem
with a certain hardware vendor and wants to air that in a public
forum that isn't even appropriate for this kind of issue.

>Now we have the said company in the "partnership" with
>the said agency.  Can it be more clear than that?

Maybe you haven't seen this before, but 'partnership' to a hardware
vendor means "we're going to make a whole bunch of money from this
deal so let's call them a partner.'  It does not mean that Bay Networks
is sitting down with the Chinese government saying "Let us help you
figure out how to brainwash all your citizens."

>What is sad, most people just don't care.  Not until
>they're personally dragged by goons from their own bed.
>That attitude is, essentially, what sustains totalitarism.

You know, I get the feeling that most of us really don't care.  Maybe
the Chinese government will use their network for purposes we don't
agree with.  But your beef is really with the government then, isn't it?


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