Trans-Atlantic Traffic

Sean M. Doran smd at
Fri Aug 22 11:37:44 UTC 1997

Per Gregers Bilse <pgb at> writes:

> You need to study some more (European) Internet history.

I certainly accept that, so with respect to your assertion
that EUnet was "kicked out" of Ebone 6-7 years ago I
decided to check on three obvious primary sources,
viz. Frode, Kees Neggers and Glenn Kowack.  The first
choice was obviously the easiest.

Frode (unsurprisingly) was surprised at your version of
history.  I was too, since it varied with what I remember
seeing at the time (remember I have some UUNET history too
:-) ).   He also said that Ebone would be very happy to
welcome EUnet back into the fold if the departure was due
to some misunderstanding several years ago.

I shall ask the other two at leisure today or tomorrow in email.

BTW, since there are other people reading this who would
make good primary sources, I welcome any historical
retrospectives by private email.  

> Among other things, you seem to overlook

Which other things, out of curiosity?  Admittedly I'm
crippled by having a viewpoint firmly fixed in North
America for the past few years, and I'm certainly open to
different points of view with respect to the history of
European Internetworking.

> while Ebone had its US half circuits paid by the NSF,
> and Rick Adams lent us a big helping hand during those
> years.

Wow, this is a rat's nest. :)  Um, my ICM memories are
that in the first place Ebone was initially principally an
academic consortium, but that as commercial traffic began
appearing, NSF funding began disappearing.  I believe
(Steve Goldstein can correct me if I'm wrong) that Ebone
generally acquired capacity on fractions of lines the NSF
did not pay for.

There is some fuzziness about the RENATER lines, and one
could take several readings on the NORDUNET capacity over
the past couple of years, but in any event, I think you
will find that any indirect subsidy really didn't amount to all
that much (Dr Goldstein's pockets are only so deep) and
probably did go to the benefit of the NSF's community of
interest, and in particular during the period when Ebone
was still a consortium rather than the hybrid
Association/Incorporation in place now.

There is no question that Rick was a pioneer in investing
in the international growth of the commercial Internet,
and that alot of the proliferation of the Internet in
Europe is due in some measure to him.

> As you are probably aware, we have been on very friendly terms with
> Ebone for several years now.

Yup, EUnet is cool.


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