RWHOIS, SWIP, and proving ownership
Owen DeLong
owen at DeLong.SJ.CA.US
Thu Nov 21 17:08:22 UTC 1996
> Consider this a side note to the preceding discussion.
>
> 1. Most of our clients understand that their ''lease'' on network address
> space is at our whim, by contract for IP connectivity, and is subject
> to renumbering if WE assign them new space, if WE are assigned new space,
> or if they move elsewhere.
>
> Therefore they don't ask us to SWIP the nets nor do they care.
>
So...
> 2. RWHOIS doesn't run on any production operating system. I know Unix is
> in vogue, but since we do the 99.96% uptime schtick, we use operating
> systems that stay up (VMS). This means we can't run RWHOIS (even if we
> did want to, which if you read #1 above you'll see we don't.)
>
I don't see any reason you couldn't modify RWHOIS to compile/run on
VMS. It's pretty straightforward C code with very few UNIX specific
calls in it. Admittedly, we run UNIX (which has been up 99.96%+ at
our site). In fact, the last time I worked in a shop with a bunch
of VMS users, the VMS system was down alot more often than our UNIX
systems.
Oh well... Guess it's religion.
> 3. We currently use almost all of a /18, two thirds of a /19, a few /22s,
> and some /24s. It would be easy to justify a /17 based on all this, but
> if someone wanted to be rigid about RWHOIS and SWIP, even a bunch of
> traceroutes aren't going to convince them.
>
> Back in THE GOOD OLD DAYS (tm), we said "Be flexible with what you accept,
> be rigid with what you send out." (Others made it sound better and put it
> in RFCs... D.C. for one.. :)
>
That applies to network protocols and interactions between machines.
> Nowadays I see the motto has become "Be rigid in what you accept, and modify
> your templates as often as possible." This criticism applies equally to the
> RA IRR as it does to the InterNIC.
>
I will support this criticism of the NIC, but the RA has not refused any of
my submissions based on templates over a year old.
> Gee, and this started out as one sentence that went "We don't run RWHOIS, our
> clients don't want it, our operating system won't support it, and you better
> listen when we ask for a /17 ;)"
>
We don't conform to any standard, we don't care what the rest of the net does,
and you better give us what we want when we want it. Cute. I expected better
from you of all people, Ehud.
> Ehud
>
Owen
More information about the NANOG
mailing list