20402 routing entries
Daniel Karrenberg
Daniel.Karrenberg at ripe.net
Sat Apr 16 12:41:11 UTC 1994
Peter & Yakov,
the only carrot/stick combination that is going to work
is to charge for announcements - period.
Make a charging scheme that punishes
many small announcements
out-of provider block announcements
Convince the big transit providers to implement it and it
will percolate downwards. This has some problems too but
is the only carrot/stick combination that will work better
than just convincing people to be good citizens.
Daniel
Speaking for myself only
> "Peter S. Ford" <peter at goshawk.lanl.gov> writes:
>
>
> Marty,
>
> >a bit less than 28,000 currently configured "Internet" network
> >numbres believe they have permanently gained their class B's and
> >C's. Or at least the ones in the US believe that.
> >
> >a bit less than all assigned network numbers total believe that
> >they have gained their class B's and C's and will never give up
> >and renumber
> >
> >You have provided no incentive (carrot) for individual companies
> >to do the right thing.
>
> Let us try to answer your question with another question:
>
> Do you want a routable large scale global Internet ?
>
> It is hard to imagine supporting a truly huge Internet without relying
> on hierarchical routing (CIDR is simply a realization of
> hierarchical routing).
>
> And if you do plan to rely on hierarchical routing, then you need to
> understand how to deal with the issue of containing address entropy
> (due to switching among providers) without renumbering. It seems naive
> and perhaps irresponsible to think about flat routing (based on network
> numbers). It should be a goal to make this renumbering simple.
>
> We'd like to suggest that folks with alternative proposals to CIDR
> should put their alternative proposals on a table and explain, among
> other things, how their proposals would be deployed and used and how
> these proposals would be better than CIDR. Hitting the right time
> frame turns out to count!
>
>
> When people got network numbers in the past they were getting addresses
> for the research Internet. It is important to understand that the
> research Internet was a great thing, but we are now working on the
> global public Internet and we desperately needed new routing and addressing
>
> systems. We should establish that we are in a transition from the
> research Internet to the global public Internet and we subsequently
> can not just use uncoordinated IP addresses and still have a workable
> system. This is not dissimilar to what happened when local phone
> exchanges started to get interconnected during the advent of long
> distance telephone services. There needs to be a globally coordinated
> address space to make this work. Reasoning by analogy with the phone syste
> m
> is a powerful argument. People change phone numbers all the time, they
> don't absolutely revolt because the phone system is so valuable.
> Some elect to get 700 numbers, but they *PAY* for this service.
>
> We suggest the following subjects be carefully considered:
>
> The old addresses of the research Internet need to be reorganized
> into the global public Internet addressing plan which is based
> on CIDR.
>
> Those addresses not currently globally routed will not be
> routed. These new customers of the Internet should get
> their addresses from their immediate providers.
> (This could be softened if there is a commitment by the
> customer to enter into the transition ASAP). This also
> would cover the case of provider switching under CIDR.
>
> Those addresses that are currently routed will *eventually*
> be migrated to CIDR allocations. This may take some time,
> on the order of years (2-5). We could look for the
> simple cases first (small/tiny sites).
>
> It is not fair to get people to renumber when they attach to
> the Internet when they see that people already attached
> are just sitting pretty. We need to be consistent in the
> application of standards and rules.
>
> Marty has brought up the subject of a carrot:
>
> The carrot is getting global Internet routing.
>
> The stick is not getting global Internet routing.
>
> It is a dull and boring argument, but it is the core of the debate.
> There is extreme value in what we are trying to build with the global publi
> c
> Internet, and we need to impress on the customer base that we need
> their help to make it possible to achieve our goals.
>
> We are not saying this is going to be easy, but it is rare that something
> worth having comes for free.
>
> Peter & Yakov
>
> P.S. The number of uncoordinated IP addresses is higher than 30K.
>
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