<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Why am I picturing you rigging up a Particle Electron as a dongle to each device you want remote access to?<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 19, 2018, at 02:21 , Mike Hammett <<a href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net" class="">nanog@ics-il.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" class="">Except for AT&T, most incumbents here aren't also mobile wireless providers, so that is an option in most cases for truly OOB.<br class=""><br class=""><div class=""><span name="x" class=""></span><br style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; 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line-height: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 1; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><img src="http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png" style="border: 0pt none;" class=""></a><span name="x" class=""></span><br class=""></div><hr id="zwchr" class=""><div style="font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><b class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Saku Ytti" <<a href="mailto:saku@ytti.fi" class="">saku@ytti.fi</a>><br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"James Bensley" <<a href="mailto:jwbensley@gmail.com" class="">jwbensley@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" class="">nanog@nanog.org</a><br class=""><b class="">Sent:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Wednesday, September 19, 2018 4:04:58 AM<br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: Console Servers<br class=""><br class="">On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 at 11:54, James Bensley <jwbensley@gmail.com> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">> I forgot to mention, it also depends how "out" of band your OOB needs<br class="">> to be. We use Ciena 6500s for our DWDM infrastructure and they have a<br class="">> wayside channel (like various DWDM vendors), so it's a separate<br class="">> channel over the same physical fibre. For anything except a fibre cut<br class="">> it seems to work.<br class=""><br class="">This is gold standard for incumbents, as they don't have anything true<br class="">out-of-band they can consistently buy, everything travels in their<br class="">network at some point anyhow.<br class=""><br class="">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""> ++ytti</div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>