So what do you think about the scuttlebutt of Musk interfering in Ukraine?

Thu Sep 14 14:52:41 UTC 2023

Mr. Isaacson's tweet (or X , or whatever the hell it is now ) is
essentially saying Russia invading Ukraine was *not* a major war, but
Ukraine attacking back to defend itself would be. Exceptionally dumb
comment.

I also find it exceptionally rich that Musk uses their 'Terms of Service'
as a shield to justify an action, while at the same time openly ignoring
obligations on contracts his company signed with vendors and now former
employees. He sure does love to have it both ways.

On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 9:36 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is one of those threads where I do think folk would benefit from
> hearing from the horses' mouths. In a recent bio of musk published this
> past week, the author claimed that starlink withdrew service over crimea
> based on the knowledge it was going to be used for a surprise attack.
> Starlink - and that author - now state that (
> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1700345943105638636 )
>
> The onus is meaningfully different if I refused to act upon a request from
> Ukraine vs. made a deliberate change to Starlink to thwart Ukraine. At no
> point did I or anyone at SpaceX promise coverage over Crimea. Moreover, our
> terms of service clearly prohibit Starlink for offensive military action,
> as we are a civilian system, so they were again asking for something that
> was expressly prohibited. SpaceX is building Starshield for the US
> government, which is similar to, but much smaller than Starlink, as it will
> not have to handle millions of users. That system will be owned and
> controlled by the US government.
> Quote
> Walter Isaacson
> @WalterIsaacson
> ·
> Sep 8
> To clarify on the Starlink issue: the Ukrainians THOUGHT coverage was
> enabled all the way to Crimea, but it was not. They asked Musk to enable it
> for their drone sub attack on the Russian fleet. Musk did not enable it,
> because he thought, probably correctly, that would cause a… Show more
> <https://twitter.com/WalterIsaacson/status/1700342242290901361>
>
> Furthermore, Musk stated yesterday that had the request come from the us
> government, he would have complied.
>
> I will refrain from editorializing.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 5:56 AM Aaron de Bruyn via NANOG <nanog at nanog.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Starlink isn't a monopoly. Ukraine could have guided their munitions with
>> Iridium or another satellite Internet system.
>>
>>
>> Don't forget GLONASS. 😉
>>
>> On Thu Sep 14, 2023, 03:10 AM GMT, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 5:47 PM Michael Thomas <mike at mtcc.com> wrote:
>>
>> Doesn't this bump up against common carrier protections?
>>
>>
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> Internet providers aren't common carriers. If they were, it'd be
>> unlawful to stop your customers from sending email spam that was
>> merely offensive rather than illegal. It's also why Internet providers
>> aren't required to follow network neutrality. Internet providers gain
>> their immunity through section 230 and the DMCA instead.
>>
>> Common carrier status typically applies to shipping companies and
>> basic telephone service. Part of the mess with unwanted phone calls is
>> that the caller has to break the law (e.g. by calling a number on the
>> do-not-call list) before the phone company is allowed to act against
>> them.
>>
>> I sure don't
>> want my utilities weaponizing their monopoly status to the whims of any
>> random narcissist billionaire.
>>
>>
>> Starlink isn't a monopoly. Ukraine could have guided their munitions
>> with Iridium or another satellite Internet system.
>>
>> That said, volunteering services to the military of a nation at war
>> and then pulling the rug out from under them is so classless, one
>> wonders if Musk isn't trying to build a communist utopia.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bill Herrin
>>
>>
>> --
>> William Herrin
>> bill at herrin.us
>> https://bill.herrin.us/
>>
>>
>
> --
> Oct 30:
> https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html
> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos
>
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