New minimum speed for US broadband connections

Sat Feb 19 16:36:26 UTC 2022

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On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 11:26 Mike Hammett <nanog at ics-il.net> wrote:

> *nods* I agree.
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> Usually, it's too many spineless people that won't stand up to someone
> that couldn't make friends in high school.
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> *From: *"Dorn Hetzel" <dorn at hetzel.org>
> *To: *sronan at ronan-online.com
> *Cc: *"Mike Hammett" <nanog at ics-il.net>, "NANOG" <nanog at nanog.org>
> *Sent: *Saturday, February 19, 2022 10:16:06 AM
> *Subject: *Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections
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> Yeah, the evils of HOAs go *way* beyond shitty internet....
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> On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 11:15 AM <sronan at ronan-online.com> wrote:
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>> Sounds like you’ve never lived in an HOA.
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>> On Feb 19, 2022, at 11:09 AM, Mike Hammett <nanog at ics-il.net> wrote:
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>> "A single customer who has no sway over an entire HOA"
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>> If you can't sway the whole HOA, then the problem must not be that bad.
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>> Mike Hammett
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>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
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>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
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>> *From: *"Cory Sell via NANOG" <nanog at nanog.org>
>> *To: *"Mike Lyon" <mike.lyon at gmail.com>
>> *Cc: *"NANOG" <nanog at nanog.org>
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 16, 2022 7:16:37 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections
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>> See this is my point. People always dismiss these issues and say they
>> could easily get service. Then, when someone comes in with an actual
>> request for said service, the answer we get is about structured deals with
>> HOA/property management. What about for a single customer? A single
>> customer who has no sway over an entire HOA, a single customer who is told
>> to go “pound sand” by the property manager.
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>> If you can’t give a single figure or even rough numbers for a single
>> customer, I’d say avoid dismissing the problem. If you can provide that
>> now, I’d be very curious to still see them. :)
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>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 7:10 PM, Mike Lyon <mike.lyon at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Depends on many factors…
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>> If the whole HOA wanted service, then a licensed link could possibly be
>> put in delivering a high capacity circuit delivering about 100 Mbps to the
>> subscriber. Price to the customer would vary depending on how the deal is
>> structured with the HOA/property management company.
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>> Could also look into getting some fiber delivered and feed it from that.
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>> -Mike
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>> On Feb 16, 2022, at 17:02, Cory Sell <corysell at protonmail.com> wrote:
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>>  Out of pure curiosity, let’s assume they COULD put an antenna on the
>> roof…
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>> What is the service? Bandwidth, latency expectation, cost?
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>> Note that in almost every condominium or apartment complex I have heard
>> of, they do NOT allow roof builds. This is why satellite TV in those areas
>> require people to put an antenna on their patio, even if it’s half-blocked.
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>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 6:51 PM, Mike Lyon <mike.lyon at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> If they allow antennas on the roof, we can service them :)
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>> Your house, on the other hand, we already lucked out on that one!
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>> -Mike Lyon
>> Ridge Wireless
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>> On Feb 16, 2022, at 16:48, Matthew Petach <mpetach at netflight.com> wrote:
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>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 1:16 PM Josh Luthman <josh at imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> wrote:
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>>> I'll once again please ask for specific examples as I continue to see
>>> the generic "it isn't in some parts of San Jose".
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>> You want a specific example?
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>> Friend of mine asked me to help them get better Internet connectivity a
>> few weeks ago.
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>> They live here:
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>> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Meridian+Woods+Condos/@37.3200394,-121.9792261,17.47z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x808fca909a8f5605:0x399cdd468d99300c!8m2!3d37.3190694!4d-121.9818295
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>> Just off of I-280 in the heart of San Jose.
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>> I dug and dug, and called different companies.
>> The only service they can get there is the 768K DSL service they already
>> have with AT&T.
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>> Go ahead.  Try it for yourself.
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>> See what service you can order to those condos.
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>> Heart of Silicon Valley.
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>> Worse connectivity than many rural areas.   :(
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>> Matt
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