LEC copper removal from commercial properties

Thu Feb 17 02:46:17 UTC 2022

Upon digging a bit more:

Looks like a typo .. and a typo that seems have been copy pasted by so
many providers all over the place.

It must be 19-72A1, not 10-72A1.

Do a Google Search for "Order 10-72A1" and you find tons of hits for that
exact phrase quoted in your email, with 10-72A1, and everything else word
for word, except on a different dot com.

But one hit .. just one of those hits! .. has this instead:

| The Sunset of Copper POTS (~Plain Old Telephone Service~) Lines FCC order
| 19-72A1 (issued August 2, 2019) has officially granted telecommunications
| carriers permission to abandon outdated, degrading copper POTs lines.

So, it seems someone typo-ed the 19- as 10-, and everyone else copy-pasta-ed
that. Ah fun.

-- //Shrikumar

---Original Message---
> From: Brandon Svec via NANOG <nanog at nanog.org>
> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2022 18:20:43 -0800
> To: Martin Hannigan <hannigan at gmail.com>
> Cc: nanog <nanog at nanog.org>
> Subject: Re: LEC copper removal from commercial properties
> Reply-To: Brandon Svec <bsvec at teamonesolutions.com>
> 
> I found an alarmist email from a provider that I have not fact checked that
> states-
> 
> The FCC has issued Order 10-72A1 that mandates that all POTS Lines in the USA
> be replaced with an alternative service by August 2, 2022.
> 
> Brandon Svec 
> 
> 
> 
>     On Feb 16, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Brandon Svec <bsvec at teamonesolutions.com>
>     wrote:
> 
> 
>        Telcos have been trying/begging/warning of discontinuing copper for many
>     years. Maybe the political and regulatory environment is currently allowing
>     them to get on with it in some areas?
> 
>     I don   t think there is an FCC rule requiring the fiber as much as
>     allowing the removal of copper. 
> 
>     Brandon Svec 
> 
> 
> 
>         On Feb 16, 2022, at 6:01 PM, Martin Hannigan <hannigan at gmail.com>
>         wrote:
> 
> 
>            
> 
>         NANOG'ers;
> 
>         At least in Boston, commercial property owners are receiving notices
>         that 'copper  lines are being removed per FCC rules' and replaced with
>         fiber. The property owner, not the network operators (or users of
>         unbundled elements if that's even still a thing) are being presented
>         with an agreement that acknowledges the removal, authorizes the fiber
>         installation and provides for a minor oversight of the design. It
>         suggests that no costs are involved in terms of hosting equipment. No
>         power reimbursement. No rent for spaces used.
> 
>         There is an ominous paragraph in the letter that says if the property
>         owner doesn't comply that tenants will lose all services including
>         elevator phones, alarms, voice, internet and any copper/ds0 originated
>         services. They didn't say 911, but that would go without saying.
> 
>         Has anyone heard of this?
>         What FCC rule requires this?
> 
>         Thanks for any insights.
> 
>         Warm regards,
> 
>         Martin
> 