Any experience with Broadcom ICOS out there?

Sat Jan 6 23:42:53 UTC 2018

Yes please please Fiberstore get rid of the fake reviews. You are better 
than this.

Den 06/01/2018 kl. 21.43 skrev Filip Hruska:
> I think FS reviews are simply fake.
>
> Check out reviews on this bag of connectors: 
> https://www.fs.com/products/10964.html#all_reviews
>
> 3 different people from supposedly 3 countries added pictures of the 
> bag. To me it looks like the bag is on the exact same table in all 
> photos,
> under totally same lighting conditions, just shot from different 
> angles. Also, there is a dent in the table, which is visible in 2 of 
> the photos.
>
> I wonder, why would they do this? Doesn't instill a lot of confidence 
> in me.
>
>
> Regards
>
> -- 
> Filip Hruska
> Linux System Administrator
>
> Dne 1/6/18 v 06:15 Chuck Church napsal(a):
>> I smell some BS here, at least in their 'Verified Purchase' reviews:
>>
>> "It is installed as a network hub in my basement and it is working 
>> fine. Great quality product. I've had a lot of business with FS for 
>> years. This is a very reliable company and they stand behind their 
>> company's products with a first class warranty! I highly recommend."
>>
>> "It just takes several days to receive my 100G switch with Broadcom 
>> ICOS which is packaged safely and intactly. I followed the 
>> instruction and seems simple for a non-tech user. Three steps would 
>> be done: plug it in, cable it up, turn it on. Just the way a good 
>> product should be. I would like to recommend both the product and the 
>> seller."
>>
>>
>> Non tech user, network hub in my basement.  $10K L3 switch. Jesus.  
>> The Tactical Flashlight seems more believable right now.
>>
>> Chuck.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces at nanog.org] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
>> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2018 4:55 PM
>> To: Bryan Holloway <bryan at shout.net>; nanog at nanog.org list 
>> <nanog at nanog.org>
>> Subject: Re: Any experience with Broadcom ICOS out there?
>>
>> You may have better results with the same question on OCP (open compute
>> platform) related forums and mailing lists. The Quanta version of 
>> that switch sold by FS is pretty much the same thing:
>>
>> https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/801037-qct-reveals-their-quantamesh-network-switches/ 
>>
>>
>> Quanta has been very active in the OCP community for whitebox 
>> switches. I have heard that they are the switch manufacturer for a 
>> great deal of Facebook's hyperscale stuff.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 1:46 PM, Bryan Holloway <bryan at shout.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you everyone for the responses so far; I should probably
>>> re-phrase the question at this point ...
>>>
>>> Has anyone had production experience with Broadcom ICOS and the
>>> features it claims to support? Positive or negative?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/5/18 2:46 PM, joel jaeggli wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/5/18 10:50 AM, Bryan Holloway wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Fiberstore is rolling out some CRAZY cheap 100Gbps switches, and I'm
>>>>> curious if anyone in the community has any thoughts or real-life
>>>>> world experience with them.
>>>>>
>>>>> E.g.: https://www.fs.com/products/69340.html
>>>>>
>>>>> For the price point, it's almost in the "too good to be true" 
>>>>> category.
>>>>>
>>>> The COGS on a single ASIC tomahawk switch was is in $5000-7000 range.
>>>> so it's consistent with a low value add reseller of merchant silicon.
>>>> that silicon is getting older (tomahawk 3 was announced in
>>>> anticipation of 2018) so we can presume they are getting cheaper. I
>>>> generally have a favorable experience of FS but then I buy optics and
>>>> cables, not switches so your mileage may vary.
>>>>
>>>> Naturally it claims to support an impressive range of features
>>>> including
>>>>> BGP, IS-IS, OSPF, MPLS, VRFs, blah blah blah.
>>>>>
>>>> The software stack is Broadcom ICOS. if you're not familiar with that
>>>> I start looking at that. if it meets you needs that's cool. if not
>>>> you might be looking at cumulus or onos. That said Broadcom does
>>>> enough to get their customers (whitebox odms) out the door, not
>>>> necessarily the customers of those odms so your recourse to a
>>>> developer is kind of limited which you get a from a vendor more
>>>> involved in the software stack. A lot of those choices here depend on
>>>> how responsible you want to be for what's running inside the box.
>>>>
>>>>> There was an earlier discussion about packet buffer issues, but,
>>>>> assuming for a second that it's not an issue,
>>>>>
>>>> It can be avoided, but for people used to running all 10Gb/s
>>>> cut-through trident 2s kind of hot, some of consequences are kind of
>>>> impressive. 4 much smaller buffers and the virtual assurance that
>>>> you'll be doing rate conversion eats into the forwarding budget.
>>>>
>>>>> can anyone say they've used these and/or the L2/L3 features that
>>>>> they purportedly support?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>              - bryan
>>>>>
>>>>>
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