Should ISP block child pornography?

Fri Dec 7 19:14:12 UTC 2018

Well said


On 12/07/2018 07:48 PM, Max Tulyev wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> we are fighting with censorship in our country. So I have something to say.
> 
> First, censorship is not just "switch off this website and that
> webpage". No magic button exist. It is more complex, if you think as for
> while system.
> 
> Initially, networks was build without systems (hardware and software)
> can block something.
> 
> Yes, you may nullroute some IP with some site, but as the collateral
> damage you will block part of Cloudflare or Amazon, for example. So you
> have to buy and install additional equipment and software to do it a bit
> less painful. That's not so cheap, that should be planned, brought,
> installed, checked and personal should be learned. After that, your
> system will be capable to block some website for ~90% of your customers
> will not proactively avoid blocking. And for *NONE* who will, as CP
> addicts, terrorists, blackmarkets, gambling, porn and others do.
> 
> Yep. Now you network is capable to censor something. You just maid the
> first step to the hell. What's next? Some people send you some websites
> to ban. This list with CP, Spamhaus DROP, some court orders, some
> semi-legal copyright protectors orders, some "we just want to block it"
> requests... And some list positions from time to time became outdated,
> so you need to clean it from time to time. Do not even expect people
> sent you the block request will send you unblock request, of course.
> Then, we have >6000 ISPs in our country - it is not possible to interact
> with all of them directly.
> 
> So, you end up under a lot of papers, random interactions with random
> people and outdated and desyncronized blocking list. It will not work.
> 
> Next, government realizes there should be one centralized blocking list
> and introduces it.
> 
> Ok. Now we have censored Internet. THE SWITCH IS ON.
> 
> In a very short time the number of organizations have permission to
> insert something in the list dramatically increases. Corruption rises,
> it becomes possible, and then becomes cheap to put your competitor's
> website into the list for some time. And of course, primary target of
> any censorship is the elections...
> 
> What about CP and porn addicts, gamblers, killers, terrorists? Surprise,
> they are even more fine than at the beginning! Why? Because they learned
> VPN, TOR and have to use it! Investigators end up with TOR and VPN exit
> IP addresses from another countries instead of their home IPs.
> 
> Hey. It is a very very bad and very very danger game. Avoid it.
> Goal of that game is to SWITCH ON that system BY ANY REASON. CP, war,
> gambling - any reason that will work. After the system will be switched
> on - in several months you will forget the initial reason. And will
> awake in another world.
> 
> 07.12.18 08:06, Lotia, Pratik M пише:
>> Hello all, was curious to know the community’s opinion on whether an ISP
>> should block domains hosting CPE (child pornography exploitation)
>> content? Interpol has a ‘worst-of’ list which contains such domains and
>> it wants ISPs to block it.
>>
>> On one side we want the ISP to not do any kind of censorship or
>> inspection of customer traffic (customers are paying for pipes – not for
>> filtered pipes), on the other side morals/ethics come into play. Keep in
>> mind that if an ISP is blocking it would mean that it is also logging
>> the information (source IP) and law agencies might be wanting access to it.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Wondering if any operator is actively doing it or has ever considered
>> doing it?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> With Gratitude,
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *Pratik Lotia*      
>>
>>  
>>
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