Free access to measurement network

Sun Dec 17 19:46:19 UTC 2017

On 12/16/17, Mike Hammett <nanog at ics-il.net> wrote:
> That project was paid for by ARRA funds and ran out.
>
> The FCC picked up the ball by expanding the scope of its 477 program. That
> data is available directly on their site or via some sites like
> broadbandnow.com

I didn't know about that - thanks.  But it just confirms what I
thought; my choices are comcast & verizon.   There is another
possibility, but $350/mo for 10Mb/s with a 24 month contract is too
steep.

> There are also many service providers available that aren't filing because
> either A) they don't know about it or B) government stuff.
>
> My point was that consumers voted out thousands of independents by taking
> service from incumbents instead of independents. Thousands have closed up
> shop. Where independents are available, it's still tough getting customers
> if the incumbents have a service that mostly works (over say 5 to 10 megs),
> even if the independent offers service comparable to the incumbent's
> advertisements.

As a consumer, how much extra are you willing to pay for good service?
 Because I'm guessing that's about all a small independent can offer
that's better than the local (mono|duo)poly.  So while I think I get
your point, I see it more as consumers voting with their wallets
rather than voting out independents.

Regards,
Lee

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> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
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> Midwest Internet Exchange
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> The Brothers WISP
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: "Lee" <ler762 at gmail.com>
> To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog at ics-il.net>
> Cc: nanog at nanog.org
> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 2:16:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Free access to measurement network
>
> On 12/16/17, Mike Hammett <nanog at ics-il.net> wrote:
>> It's a consumer thing. If consumers wanted more options, they would be
>> supporting those options with their wallets. They don't.
>
> As far as I know, my options for >50Mb/s are comcast and verizon.
>
> https://www.broadbandmap.gov/ sez
> Please note: National Broadband Map data is from June 30, 2014 and is
> no longer being updated.
>
> How do I find out what my other options are?
>
> Thanks,
> Lee
>
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>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>
>> The Brothers WISP
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "Max Tulyev" <maxtul at netassist.ua>
>> To: nanog at nanog.org
>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 4:43:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: Free access to measurement network
>>
>> So for my point of view, better solution is to push some law that ease
>> access to the buildings for ISPs.
>>
>> 15.12.17 19:40, valdis.kletnieks at vt.edu пише:
>>> On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 07:47:42 -0500, Dovid Bender said:
>>>> What kind of internet are these devices on? With Net Neutrality gone
>>>> here
>>>>
>>>> in the US it would be a good way to measure certain services such as SIP
>>>>
>>>> to
>>>> see which ISP's if any are tampering with packets.
>>>
>>> Given previous history, the answer will probably be "most of them".
>>>
>>> "The results are not inspiring. More than 129 million people are limited
>>>
>>> to a
>>> single provider for broadband Internet access using the FCC definition of
>>>
>>> 25
>>> Mbps download and 3 Mbps upload. Out of those 129 million Americans,
>>> about
>>> 52
>>> million must obtain Internet access from a company that has violated
>>> network
>>> neutrality protections in the past and continues to undermine the policy
>>>
>>> today.
>>>
>>> In locations where subscribers have the benefit of limited competition,
>>> the
>>> situation isn't much better. Among the 146 million Americans with the
>>> ability
>>> to choose between two providers, 48 million Americans must choose between
>>>
>>> two
>>> companies that have a record of violating network neutrality."
>>>
>>> https://muninetworks.org/content/177-million-americans-harmed-net-neutrality
>>>
>>>
>>>
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