Netflix banning HE tunnels

Thu Jun 9 23:17:37 UTC 2016

In message <op.yita8coctfhldh at rbeam.xactional.com>, "Ricky Beam" writes:
> On Thu, 09 Jun 2016 13:32:24 -0400, Adam Rothschild <asr at latency.net>  
> wrote:
> > How can we, as a community, help move the needle
> > on v6 deployment on broadband networks, in cases where competitive
> > forces and market pressure don't exist?
> 
> You left out "consumer demand". And I would add consumer knowledge as well  
> -- there won't be any demand until one knows to ask (it's cablecards all  
> over again.) There are 7 billion people on Earth. I suspect it's a stretch  
> to say even 100,000 of them understand IPv6. While there are a few ISPs  
> who "have" IPv6, many of them have done so mostly for show -- World IPv6  
> Day marketing ploy[*].

The average consumer wants a "internet connection".  They don't
care if it is IPv4, IPv6 or IPvX.  They just want the bits to move.
What will happen is that as CGN starts to break things for people
like gamers they will start asking for IPv6, like us network geeks
ask for IPv6.

The average consumer doesn't know what they have been sold does not
deliver a real internet connection where every every machine is
addressable.

That being said, those who know what a internet connection should
be delivering should be advocating for the real deal.  It is our
ethical responsability to do this for our customers.

> For now, we'll have to continue the policy of public shaming...
> 
> Despite TWC's claims ("IPv6 has been enabled on 100% of our cable Internet  
> network.")  
> [http://www.timewarnercable.com/en/support/faqs/faqs-internet/ipv6/why-don_t-
> i-have-ipv6-yet-.html]  
> there's a very long list of exceptions... like: it's not been enabled on  
> *your* headend, or *your* modem doesn't have it enabled, or we turned if  
> off on that modem due to firmware bugs for which we've had fixes for over  
> a year, or you're a business account that hasn't had it enabled, or you're  
> a "powered by" customer for whom the banner ISP hasn't bothered to assign  
> a prefix (*cough* f'ing Earthlink *cough*)
> 
> In fact, Earthlink's only IPv6 presence, ever, was the pet project of a  
> single engineer. He was kicked out in 2008. The kludge ("auto-tunnel")  
> continued to function for a few years before the hardware was turn off,  
> recycled, etc. And then the entire research site disappear around 2010.  
> Btw, they're still announcing that prefix  
> [http://bgp.he.net/net/2001:4840::/32#_irr]
> 
> --Ricky
> 
> [*] I know my company did. Our "IPv6 Presence" was a VM somewhere running  
> nginx to proxy to the (amazon hosted) IPv4 sites. And it was gone the next  
> day.
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