Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed

Fri Jun 3 20:56:50 UTC 2016

Agreed. I find it silly that as a US citizen on my US-bank-paid-for Netflix
account with US physical address information suddenly cannot watch things
when travelling I legally could if I were standing in another place.

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Cryptographrix <cryptographrix at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I have a VPN connection at my house. There's no way for them to know the
> difference between me using my home network connection from Hong Kong or my
> home network connection from my house.
>
> Are they going to disable connectivity from everywhere they can detect an
> open VPN port to, also?
>
> If they trust my v4 address, they can use that to establish historical
> reference. Additionally, they can fail over to v4 if they do not trust the
> v6 address.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 4:05 PM Spencer Ryan <sryan at arbor.net> wrote:
>
> > There is no way for Netflix to know the difference between you being in
> NY
> > and using the tunnel, and you living in Hong Kong and using the tunnel.
> >
> >
> > *Spencer Ryan* | Senior Systems Administrator | sryan at arbor.net
> > *Arbor Networks*
> > +1.734.794.5033 (d) | +1.734.846.2053 (m)
> > www.arbornetworks.com
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Cryptographrix <cryptographrix at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Same, but until there's a real IPv6 presence in the US, it's really
> >> annoying that they haven't come up with some fix for this.
> >>
> >> I have no plans to turn off IPv6 at home - I actually have many uses for
> >> it, and as much as I dislike the controversy around it, think that
> adoption
> >> needs to be prioritized, not penalized.
> >>
> >> Additionally, I think that discussing content provider control over
> >> regional decisions isn't productive to the conversation, as they didn't
> >> build the banhammer (wouldn't you want to control your own content if
> you
> >> had made content specific to regional laws etc?).
> >>
> >> I.e. - not all shows need to have regional restrictions between New York
> >> (where I live) and California (where my IPv6 /64 says I live).
> >>
> >> I'm able to watch House in the any state in the U.S.? Great - ignore my
> >> intra-US proxy connection.
> >>
> >> My Netflix account randomly tries to connect from Tokyo because I forgot
> >> to shut off my work VPN? Fine....let me know and I'll turn *that* off.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 3:49 PM Spencer Ryan <sryan at arbor.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I don't blame them for blocking a (effectively) anonymous tunnel
> broker.
> >>> I'm sure their content providers are forcing their hand.
> >>> On Jun 3, 2016 3:46 PM, "Cryptographrix" <cryptographrix at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Netflix needs to figure out a fix for this until ISPs actually provide
> >>>> IPv6
> >>>> natively.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 3:13 PM Blair Trosper <blair.trosper at gmail.com
> >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > Confirmed that Hurricane Electric's TunnelBroker is now blocked by
> >>>> > Netflix.  Anyone nice people from Netflix perhaps want to take a
> >>>> crack at
> >>>> > this?
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 2:15 PM, <mike.hyde1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > > Had the same problem at my house, but it was caused by the IPv6
> >>>> > connection
> >>>> > > to HE.  Turned of V6 and the device worked.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > --
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > Sent with Airmail
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > On June 1, 2016 at 10:29:03 PM, Matthew Kaufman (
> matthew at matthew.at
> >>>> )
> >>>> > > wrote:
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > Every device in my house is blocked from Netflix this evening due
> to
> >>>> > > their new "VPN blocker". My house is on my own IP space, and the
> >>>> outside
> >>>> > > of the NAT that the family devices are on is 198.202.199.254,
> >>>> announced
> >>>> > > by AS 11994. A simple ping from Netflix HQ in Los Gatos to my
> house
> >>>> > > should show that I'm no farther away than Santa Cruz, CA as
> >>>> microwaves
> >>>> > > fly.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > Unfortunately, when one calls Netflix support to talk about this,
> >>>> the
> >>>> > > only response is to say "call your ISP and have them turn off the
> >>>> VPN
> >>>> > > software they've added to your account". And they absolutely
> refuse
> >>>> to
> >>>> > > escalate. Even if you tell them that you are essentially your own
> >>>> ISP.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > So... where's the Netflix network engineer on the list who all of
> >>>> us can
> >>>> > > send these issues to directly?
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > Matthew Kaufman
> >>>> > >
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
>