Cable Operator List

Tue Feb 2 16:14:27 UTC 2016

Hi Colton,

For what it sounds like you’re really looking for, a remote MAC-PHY (or
pre remote MAC-PHY, ala mini CMTS) would probably be the good fit for your
application.  This is certainly not an endorsement, as we haven’t used any
remote MAC-PHY devices today.

There are a couple players pouring money into products that haven’t really
been mentioned yet...
1) Huawei - which initially brought a mini CMTS to market (D3.0, 16x4.)
Some C-DOCSIS stuff, so may be feature poor but it doesn’t sound like you
really need the boatload of features that are in a classic full-size CMTS
anyway.  Not sure what’s going on with their D3.1 remote MAC-PHY general
availability is either.
2) Gainspeed - D3.0/D3.1 product (not sure about where the generally
availability of their product lines are) but if you happen to be a Juniper
customer, they partner with Gainspeed so it can be easy to get engaged
with them.

Ed

On 2/2/16, 11:03 AM, "NANOG on behalf of Scott Helms"
<nanog-bounces at nanog.org on behalf of khelms at zcorum.com> wrote:

>Colton,
>
>You're only going to find very small, old, or not certified (usually still
>very small) CMTSs that only do layer 2.  All of the major vendors are
>doing
>layer 3 because we've found out over time that not doing it is more
>problematic.  Having said that, if you're looking for a more ONT/DSLAM
>type
>of install there is a new type of CMTSs that look at lot like traditional
>telco DLC/BLC deployments.
>
>https://intx15.ncta.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/17-Remote-PHY.pdf
>
>The remote PHY+MAC boxes are basically mini-CMTSs and they typically rely
>on something upstream handling layer 3.  The remote PHY boxes are
>different
>as they don't even do a complete layer 2 and instead forward DOCSIS frames
>back to a centralized CMTS/CCAP.
>
>
>
>Scott Helms
>Chief Technology Officer
>ZCorum
>(678) 507-5000
>--------------------------------
>http://twitter.com/kscotthelms
>--------------------------------
>
>On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Colton Conor <colton.conor at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Graham,
>>
>> What is DSG? Yes, I am really looking for a CMTS to perform layer 2
>>just as
>> our DSLAMs and GPON do today. All layer 3 will be upstream. I would
>>want to
>> handle DHCP upstream, but have the CMTS insert Option 82 if that is a
>> feature. Not sure what specific CMTS stuff you need.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 8:12 AM, Graham Johnston
>><johnstong at westmancom.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Colton,
>> >
>> > It really depends on what features you are after.  I've demo'd one of
>>the
>> > small 1/2RU C-DOCSIS CMTSs, and they certainly work.  For us though it
>> was
>> > a non-starter as we needed support for DSG and it didn't have it.  If
>>all
>> > you are after is basic internet connectivity there is Pico Digital,
>> Vecima,
>> > Sumavision, as well as others.  Many of the C-DOCSIS CMTSs seem either
>> only
>> > support, or are more often meant to support layer 2 operations where
>>the
>> > routing happens upstream from the CMTS.
>> >
>> > Graham Johnston
>> > Network Planner
>> > Westman Communications Group
>> > 204.717.2829
>> > johnstong at westmancom.com
>> > think green; don't print this email.
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces at nanog.org] On Behalf Of Colton Conor
>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2016 8:00 AM
>> > To: Daniel Corbe
>> > Cc: NANOG
>> > Subject: Re: Cable Operator List
>> >
>> > Well, maybe NANOG's not a bad place for this post then! I would like
>>to
>> > know more about the data-only side of CMTS systems, and who the main
>> > vendors are.
>> >
>> > We have MDU properties where there is either old inside CAT3 phone
>>wire,
>> or
>> > coaxial cable. We have looked and are very familiar with the multiple
>> > technologies that work over phone lines namely VDSL2 and G.FAST.
>>However,
>> > using the coaxial cable seems to be a much better solution than using
>>the
>> > phone wires.
>> >
>> > So I am looking for compacts, low cost CMTS systems. Based on the
>>specs,
>> I
>> > am looking for something at least DOCSIS 3.0 capable, with at least
>>16X4
>> > output. Something with the ability to upgrade to software upgrade to
>> DOCSIS
>> > 3.1 would be nice, but I doubt that would be a low cost solution.
>> >
>> > Whats out there for small operators that don't want a large chassis
>>based
>> > system to feed an entire town with.
>> >
>> > So far I have found the
>> > http://picodigital.com/product-details.php?ID=miniCMTS200a which seems
>> to
>> > retail for under $5000.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 7:48 AM, Daniel Corbe <dcorbe at hammerfiber.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > > On Feb 2, 2016, at 8:42 AM, Colton Conor <colton.conor at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Are there any mailing lists out there dedicated for cable/MSO type
>> > > > operators?
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > I'm curious about this too.
>> > >
>> > > I’m not a cable operator (in that I haven’t successfully registered
>> for a
>> > > cable franchise yet) but I do operate a docsis network and I’ve
>> > > successfully negotiated the treacherous waters of obtaining and
>> providing
>> > > content to my users.
>> > >
>> > > I’m still a bit green behind the ears but I could probably offer
>>some
>> > > measure of assistance if you have a specific question.
>> > >
>> > > -Daniel
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>