GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences

Josh Luthman josh at imaginenetworksllc.com
Mon Apr 11 17:14:37 UTC 2016


Or 0,0, send the FBI to Africa on a boating trip.  that would probably be
easier than "unknown" or "null".


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On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Hugo Slabbert <hugo at slabnet.com> wrote:

>
> On Mon 2016-Apr-11 13:02:14 -0400, Ken Chase <math at sizone.org> wrote:
>
> TL;DR: GeoIP put unknown IP location mappings to the 'center of the
>> country'
>> but then rounded off the lat long so it points at this farm.
>>
>> Cant believe law enforcement is using this kind of info to execute
>> searches.
>> Wouldnt that undermine the credibility of any evidence brought up in
>> trials
>> for any geoip locates?
>>
>> Seems to me locating unknowns somewhere in the middle of a big lake or
>> park in
>> the center of the country might be a better idea.
>>
>
> ...how about actually marking an unknown as...oh, I dunno: "unknown"?  Is
> there no analogue in the GeoIP lookups for a 404?
>
>
>> /kc
>>
>
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>
>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 11:55:11AM -0500, Chris Boyd said:
>>  >
>>  >Interesting article.
>>  >
>>  >http://fusion.net/story/287592/internet-mapping-glitch-kansas-farm/
>>  >
>>  >An hour???s drive from Wichita, Kansas, in a little town called Potwin,
>>  >there is a 360-acre piece of land with a very big problem.
>>  >
>>  >The plot has been owned by the Vogelman family for more than a hundred
>>  >years, though the current owner, Joyce Taylor n??e Vogelman, 82, now
>>  >rents it out. The acreage is quiet and remote: a farm, a pasture, an old
>>  >orchard, two barns, some hog shacks and a two-story house. It???s the
>> kind
>>  >of place you move to if you want to get away from it all. The nearest
>>  >neighbor is a mile away, and the closest big town has just 13,000
>>  >people. It is real, rural America; in fact, it???s a two-hour drive from
>>  >the exact geographical center of the United States.
>>  >
>>  >But instead of being a place of respite, the people who live on Joyce
>>  >Taylor???s land find themselves in a technological horror story.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >For the last decade, Taylor and her renters have been visited by all
>>  >kinds of mysterious trouble. They???ve been accused of being identity
>>  >thieves, spammers, scammers and fraudsters. They???ve gotten visited by
>>  >FBI agents, federal marshals, IRS collectors, ambulances searching for
>>  >suicidal veterans, and police officers searching for runaway children.
>>  >They???ve found people scrounging around in their barn. The renters have
>>  >been doxxed, their names and addresses posted on the internet by
>>  >vigilantes. Once, someone left a broken toilet in the driveway as a
>>  >strange, indefinite threat.
>>  >
>>  >--Chris
>>  >
>>
>



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