Binge On! - And So This is Net Neutrality?

Fri Nov 20 23:35:49 UTC 2015

Requiring streaming companies not to use UDP is pretty absurd. Surely they must be able to identify streaming traffic without needing TCP.

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From: Owen DeLong<mailto:owen at delong.com>
Sent: ‎11/‎20/‎2015 4:32 PM
To: Steve Mikulasik<mailto:Steve.Mikulasik at civeo.com>
Cc: Ian Smith<mailto:I.Smith at F5.com>; nanog at nanog.org<mailto:nanog at nanog.org>
Subject: Re: Binge On! - And So This is Net Neutrality?

I think they actually might… It’s very hard to identify streams in UDP since UDP is stateless.

Owen

> On Nov 20, 2015, at 09:03 , Steve Mikulasik <Steve.Mikulasik at civeo.com> wrote:
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> That is much better than I thought. Although, I don't think the person who wrote this understands what UDP is.
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> "Use of technology protocols that are demonstrated to prevent video stream detection, such as User Datagram Protocol “UDP” on any platform will exclude video streams from that content provider"
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ian Smith [mailto:I.Smith at F5.com]
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> Subject: RE: Binge On! - And So This is Net Neutrality?
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> http://www.t-mobile.com/content/dam/tmo/en-g/pdf/BingeOn-Video-Technical-Criteria-November-2015.pdf
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> Subject: RE: Binge On! - And So This is Net Neutrality?
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> What are these technical requirements? I feel like these would punish small upstarts well helping protect large incumbent services from competition.
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> Even if you don't demand payment, you can still hurt the fairness of the internet this way.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces at nanog.org] On Behalf Of Shane Ronan
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 9:25 AM
> To: nanog at nanog.org
> Subject: Re: Binge On! - And So This is Net Neutrality?
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> T-Mobile claims they are not accepting any payment from these content providers for inclusion in Binge On.
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> "Onstage today, Legere said any company can apply to join the Binge On program. "Anyone who can meet our technical requirement, we’ll include,"
> he said. "This is not a net neutrality problem." Legere pointed to the fact that Binge On doesn't charge providers for inclusion and customers don't pay to access it."
> http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/10/9704482/t-mobile-uncarrier-binge-on-netflix-hbo-streaming
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> On 11/20/15 10:45 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
>> According to:
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>> http://www.engadget.com/2015/11/20/fcc-chairman-gives-t-mobiles-binge-
>> on-the-thumbs-up/
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>> Chairman Wheeler thinks that T-mob's new "customers can get uncapped
>> media stream data, but only from the people we like" service called
>> Binge On is pro-competition.
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>> My take on this is that the service is *precisely* what Net Neutrality
>> was supposed to prevent -- carriers offering paid fast-lanes to
>> content providers -- and that this is anti-competitive to the sort of
>> "upstart YouTube" entities that NN was supposed to protect...
>>
>> and that *that* is the competition that NN was supposed to protect.
>>
>> And I just said the same thing two different ways.
>>
>> Cause does anyone here think that T-mob is giving those *carriers*
>> pride of place *for free*?
>>
>> Corporations don't - in my experience - give away lots of money out of
>> the goodness of their hearts.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -- jr 'whacky weekend' a
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