Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?

Sat Jun 20 03:43:10 UTC 2015

Their "airMAX" line recently got UNII approval but not their UniFi line to my 
knowledge: 
https://community.ubnt.com/t5/airMAX-Updates-Blog/airMAX-FCC-UNII-Updates-Lower-Band-Activation-Process/ba-p/1265946


20. Jun 2015 03:36 by faisal at snappytelecom.net:


> FCC Cert claims different.
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
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> ----- Original Message -----
>
>> From: "Josh Luthman" <>> josh at imaginenetworksllc.com>> >
>> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <>> faisal at snappytelecom.net>> >
>> Cc: "NANOG list" <>> nanog at nanog.org>> >, "Ray Soucy" <>> rps at maine.edu>> 
>> >
>> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 9:16:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network 
>> setup?
>> Uhm he's not wrong...
>> Josh Luthman
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>> On Jun 19, 2015 9:13 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" < >> faisal at snappytelecom.net>>  
>> > wrote:
>> > >>>The thing you need to watch out for with Ubiquiti is that they don't
>> > >>>support DFS, so the entire U-NII-2 channel space is off limits for 5
>> > >>>GHz.
>>
>> > Huh ????
>>
>> > Please verify your facts before making blanket statements which are not
>> > accurate ...
>>
>> > Faisal Imtiaz
>>
>> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> > > From: "Ray Soucy" < >> rps at maine.edu>>  >
>>
>> > > To: "Sina Owolabi" < >> notify.sina at gmail.com>>  >
>>
>> > > Cc: " >> nanog at nanog.org>>  list" < >> nanog at nanog.org>>  >
>>
>> > > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 7:07:01 PM
>>
>> > > Subject: Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network
>> > > setup?
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > I know you don't want to hear this answer because of cost but I've had
>> > > good
>>
>> > > luck with Cisco for very high density (about 1,000 clients in a packed
>>
>> > > auditorium actively using the network as they follow along with the
>>
>> > > presenter).
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>> > >
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>> > > The thing you need to watch out for with Ubiquiti is that they don't
>>
>> > > support DFS, so the entire U-NII-2 channel space is off limits for 5 
>> GHz.
>>
>> > > That's pretty significant because you're limited to 9 x 20 MHz 
>> channels
>> > > or
>>
>> > > 4 x 40 MHz channels. Keeping the power level down and creating small
>> > > cells
>>
>> > > is essential for high density, so with less channels your hands are
>> > > really
>>
>> > > tied in that case. Also, avoid the Zero Handoff marketing nonsense 
>> they
>>
>> > > advertise; I'm sure it can work great for a low client residential 
>> area
>> > > but
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>> > > it requires all APs to share a single channel and depends upon
>> > > coordinating
>>
>> > > only one active transmitter at a time, so it simply won't scale.
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>> > >
>>
>> > > I don't have experience with other vendors at large scale or high
>> > > density.
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>> > >
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>> > > I don't think what you're talking about is really high density anymore
>>
>> > > though. That's just normal coverage. Wireless is a lot more 
>> complicated
>>
>> > > than selecting a vendor, though. If you know what you're doing even
>>
>> > > Ubiquiti could work decently, but if you don't even a Cisco solution
>> > > won't
>>
>> > > save you. You really need to be on top of surveying correctly and 
>> having
>>
>> > > appropriate AP placement and channel distribution.
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>> > >
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>> > >
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>> > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 1:57 AM, Sina Owolabi < >> 
>> notify.sina at gmail.com>>  >
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > > Hi
>>
>> > > >
>>
>> > > > We are profiling equipment and design for an expected high user 
>> density
>>
>> > > > network of multiple, close nit, residential/hostel units. Its going 
>> to
>> > > > be
>>
>> > > > 8-10 buildings with possibly a over 1000 users at any given time.
>>
>> > > > We are looking at Ruckus and Ubiquiti as options to get over the 
>> high
>>
>> > > > number of devices we are definitely going to encounter.
>>
>> > > >
>>
>> > > > How did you do it, and what would you advise for product and layout?
>>
>> > > >
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>> > > > Thanks in advance!
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>> > > >
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>> > >
>>
>> > > --
>>
>> > > Ray Patrick Soucy
>>
>> > > Network Engineer
>>
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