eBay is looking for network heavies...

Sun Jun 7 02:17:02 UTC 2015

Just to be clear, CERTS are NOT a requirement for these positions. They
will head-of-line someone for a phone screen. THAT IS ALL!  And if you've
got a cert, you had better know your stuff because if your cert says you're
an EXPERT.  I'm gonna expect you to be one!

John Fraizer
--Sent from my Android phone.
Please excuse any typos.
On Jun 6, 2015 5:50 PM, "Randy" <randy_94108 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> $employers don't help in this regard either by requiring said certs. Such
> requirements; IMO, lead to folks preparing/passing such tests just for
> $day_job only without any real desire to understand how
> things-actually-work&why.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Fraizer <john at op-sec.us>
> To: Łukasz Bromirski <lukasz at bromirski.net>
> Cc: nanog at nanog.org
> Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 5:55 PM
> Subject: Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...
>
> Folks,
>
> It's just a piece of paper in my opinion.  A person either knows their
> stuff or they don't.  Less than 5min on a phone screen and I will know if
> they "bought" their certification(s) or earned them.  Sadly, I've spoken to
> far too many who give some validation to Jared's comment. I'm wondering how
> many proctors have been paid off or if people are buying fake id's for
> smart people and paying them to sit for the tests posing as them.
>
> John Fraizer
> --Sent from my Android phone.
> Please excuse any typos.
> On Jun 5, 2015 5:45 PM, "Łukasz Bromirski" <lukasz at bromirski.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > > On 06 Jun 2015, at 02:26, Jared Mauch <jared at puck.nether.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:13 PM, John Fraizer <john at op-sec.us> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Head of line for CCIE / JNCIE but knowledge and experience trumps a
> > piece
> > >> of paper every time!
> > >
> > > Can you please put these at the back of the line?  My experience is
> that
> > > the cisco certification (at least) is evidence of the absence of actual
> > > troubleshooting skills.  (or my standards of what defines “expert” are
> > > different than the rest of the world).
> >
> > Jared, don’t generalize.
> >
> > True - there are people that are ‘paper’ CCIE/JNCIEs - but let’s not
> > start a rant unless you've met tens of CCIEs/JNCIEs and all of them
> > didn’t know a jack. About troubleshooting.
> >
> > —
> > CCIE #15929 R&S/SP, CCDE #2012::17
> > (not that I’d know anything about troubleshooting of course)
>