eBay is looking for network heavies...

jim deleskie deleskie at gmail.com
Sat Jun 6 01:53:10 UTC 2015


Based on the number of "certified" people I've interviewed over the last
20yr, my default view lines up with Jared's 100%

On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 10:38 PM, Mike Hale <eyeronic.design at gmail.com>
wrote:

> We need a pool on what percentage of readers just googled traceroute.
> On Jun 5, 2015 6:28 PM, <nanog at cdl.asgaard.org> wrote:
>
> > On 5 Jun 2015, at 17:45, Łukasz Bromirski wrote:
> >
> >  On 06 Jun 2015, at 02:26, Jared Mauch <jared at puck.nether.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:13 PM, John Fraizer <john at op-sec.us> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Head of line for CCIE / JNCIE but knowledge and experience trumps a
> >>>> piece
> >>>> of paper every time!
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Can you please put these at the back of the line?  My experience is
> that
> >>> the cisco certification (at least) is evidence of the absence of actual
> >>> troubleshooting skills.  (or my standards of what defines “expert” are
> >>> different than the rest of the world).
> >>>
> >>
> >> Jared, don’t generalize.
> >>
> >> True - there are people that are ‘paper’ CCIE/JNCIEs - but let’s not
> >> start a rant unless you've met tens of CCIEs/JNCIEs and all of them
> >> didn’t know a jack. About troubleshooting.
> >>
> >
> > 't
> >
> > We had one CCIE at a previous job who just didn't "click" no matter how
> > much we tried to train on the architecture.  Eventually in one backbone
> > event, he kept saying that the problem couldn't be with a given router
> > because "traceroute worked."  When it was pointed out that the potential
> > fault wouldn't cause traceroute to fail, we got a very puzzled look.  We
> > then asked him to explain how traceroute worked.  He spectacularly
> failed.
> >
> > It became a tongue-in-cheek interview question.  What was boggling was
> the
> > number of *IE's that failed trying to explain traceroute's mechanics.
> >
> > My test, as crass as it is.  If your CV headlines with a JCIE/CCIE, I am
> > pretty certain that you have very little real-world experience.  If it's
> a
> > footnote somewhere, that's ok.
> >
> >         Christopher
> >
> >
> >
> >> —
> >> CCIE #15929 R&S/SP, CCDE #2012::17
> >> (not that I’d know anything about troubleshooting of course)
> >>
> >
> >
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