discussing how to stop hacking is hacking which is now racketeering

Wed Jan 14 21:17:02 UTC 2015

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Andrew D Kirch <Trelane at trelane.net> wrote:
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>> On Jan 14, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Jim Popovitch <jimpop at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Ken Chase <math at sizone.org> wrote:
>>> http://blog.erratasec.com/2015/01/obams-war-on-hackers.html
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>>> Therefore, immediate end of this thread? Are all subscribers to this list now
>>> to be inconvenienced at airports? (Sorry, my bad.)
>>>
>>> Do we all need a CCNP Security-multipass to log into IRC now?  Which channels
>>> are now a good idea to avoid? #linux? #bitcoin? #nanog? #obamasucks?
>>> #blacklivesmatter?  (in Canada #idlenomore is similar and equally targetted by
>>> Palantir/Tempests as the latter was).
>>>
>>> What constitutes racketeering in 'communication'? Membership on a mailing list
>>> or just reading a webpage?
>>>
>>> [ This week I was investigating a colleague's website, so I ran dig(1) in a
>>> bash terminal in putty - she saw a text terminal, and exclaimed "Wait, stop, are
>>> you hacking my website?!" I blame Sandra Bullock and to a lesser extent Carrie
>>> Ann Moss (and the nmap crew, esp. for using actually-plausible toolsets/techniques). ]
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>>> This is an age old game, but the ante has just been upped. Our industry should
>>> respond to this.
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>> One has to wonder how any of this applies to the 'countries that hack'
>> accusations that the FBI/CIA/NSA have always laid claim to.
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>> -Jim P.
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> Jim-
> You mean the credits page for Stuxnet?

:-)

I do mean any and nearly everything the USG has told us about how evil
hackers reside in RU, CN, and DPRK and prey on Mil computers.

-Jim P.