symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality]

Thu Apr 23 14:19:39 UTC 2015

I wasn't being funny. :-)

That was about a quarter to a third of a /wonderful/ #takethat to the *AA...

On April 23, 2015 10:17:51 AM EDT, Ray Soucy <rps at maine.edu> wrote:
>Sorry, I know I get long-winded.  That's why I don't post as much as I
>used
>to. ;-)
>
>On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Jay Ashworth <jra at baylink.com> wrote:
>
>> There's an op-ed piece in this posting, Ray. Do you want to write it,
>or
>> should I?
>>
>> :-)
>>
>>
>> On April 23, 2015 10:06:42 AM EDT, Ray Soucy <rps at maine.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's amazing, really.
>>>
>>> Netflix and YouTube now overtake BitTorrent and all other file
>sharing
>>> peer-to-peer traffic combined, even on academic networks, by
>order(s) of
>>> magnitude.  The amount of peer-to-peer traffic is not even
>significant in
>>> comparison.  It might as well be IRC from our perspective.
>>>
>>> Internet usage habits have shifted quite a bit in the past decade. 
>I
>>> think the takeaway is that if you provide content in a way that is
>fairly
>>> priced and convenient to access (e.g. DRM doesn't get in your way),
>most
>>> people will opt for the legal route.  Something we were trying to
>explain
>>> to the MPAA and RIAA years ago when they shoved the DMCA down our
>throats.
>>>
>>> I'm certainly in favor of symmetrical service.  I think there is a
>widely
>>> held myth that DOS attacks will take down the Internet when everyone
>has
>>> more bandwidth.  The fact is that DOS attacks are a problem
>regardless of
>>> bandwidth, and throttling people isn't a solution.  The other
>(somewhat
>>> insulting) argument that people will use greater upload speeds for
>illegal
>>> activity is pretty bogus as well.
>>>
>>> The limit on upload bandwidth for most people is a roadblock to a
>lot of
>>> the services that people will take for granted a decade from now;
>cloud
>>> backup, residential video surveillance over IP, peer-to-peer high
>>> definition video conferencing.  And likely a lot of things that we
>haven't
>>> imagined yet.
>>>
>>> As funny as it sounds, I think Twitch (streaming video games) has
>been
>>> the application that has made the younger generation care about
>their
>>> upload speed more than anything else.  They now have a use case
>where their
>>> limited upload is a real problem for them, and when they find out
>their ISP
>>> can't provide anything good enough they get pretty upset about it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Jay Ashworth <jra at baylink.com>
>wrote:
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > From: "Frank Bulk" <frnkblk at iname.com>
>>>>
>>>> > Those are measured at the campus boundary. I don't have
>visibility
>>>> inside
>>>> > the school's network to know who much intra-campus traffic there
>may
>>>> be .
>>>> > but we know that peer-to-peer is a small percentage of overall
>Internet
>>>> > traffic flows, and streaming video remains the largets.
>>>>
>>>> BitTorrent makes special efforts to keep as much traffic local as
>>>> possible,
>>>> I understand; that probably isn't too helpful... except at scales
>like
>>>> that
>>>> on a resnet at a sizable campus.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -- jra
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>
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>
>
>
>-- 
>Ray Patrick Soucy
>Network Engineer
>University of Maine System
>
>T: 207-561-3526
>F: 207-561-3531
>
>MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network
>www.maineren.net

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