PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

Sun Jun 9 18:01:29 UTC 2013

Of course the access isn't direct -- there is a firewall and a router in between.  The access is indirect.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason L. Sparks [mailto:jlsparks at gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, 09 June, 2013 04:24
> To: ku po
> Cc: NANOG
> Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project
> 
> To be fair, the reporting (initially) claimed the providers were granting
> the USG "access directly to their servers."  It's understandable and
> appropriate that the providers pushed back against that apparently
> erroneous reporting.
> 
> Jason
> 
> On Jun 8, 2013, at 22:44, ku po <cciehelps at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > What is the point to argue whether they have the capacity to process all
> > the data?
> > They DON'T need to build expensive systems.
> > They just need to make sure when they ask your company for information,
> > these information are available for them and fast enough.
> > So the statement that saying "we don't give them direct access" means
> > nothing!!!
> > The right question is IS THERE A DIRECT CHANNEL for them to ask you for
> > information without providing all the evidence( how could they show you
> all
> > the evidence when it is security related??),  which you can't deny their
> > access.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 8:20 AM, James Harrison
> <james at talkunafraid.co.uk>wrote:
> >
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> >> On 08/06/2013 16:31, William Herrin wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:25 AM, jamie rishaw <j at arpa.com> wrote:
> >>>> Just wait until we find out dark and lit private fiber is getting
> >>>> vampired.
> >>>
> >>> Why wait?
> >>>
> >>> http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/20/politics/20submarine.html?_r=0
> >>>
> >>> -Bill
> >>
> >> In a similar vein, a new PRISM slide was released by the Guardian this
> >> morning:
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/08/nsa-prism-server-
> collection-facebook-google
> >>
> >> Doesn't specifically say private fiber - just "fiber cables and
> >> infrastructure". May just refer to fiber to/from/within complying
> >> company infrastructure, ofc, not necessarily anything else.
> >>
> >> They also apparently have a web 2.0 compliant dashboard with a catchy
> >> name and pop-ups with big numbers in: Boundless Informant.
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/08/nsa-boundless-informant-
> global-datamining
> >>
> >> Speaking from the other side of the pond it's interesting to see where
> >> this is going. GCHQ (the UK NSA equivalent) are being asked stern
> >> questions by the government about their involvement and if they've
> >> been asking the NSA for UK citizens' data (since they're not allowed
> >> to collect it themselves).
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> James Harrison
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