Will wholesale-only muni actually bring the boys to your yard?

Fri Feb 1 23:03:43 UTC 2013

For us, it would be the economics of the whole thing. When a 16x19.5 EDFA
runs around $20k, it's much more cost effective to combine 1550nm onto 16
PON's than onto 16 AE runs. Unless the equipment costs were to fall
drastically, there's no way it would ever fly.

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Frank Bulk (iname.com) <frnkblk at iname.com>wrote:

> IIRC, there is some issue with bleedover of either the forward or return
> (optically modulated) RF wavelength with the data wavelength.  Perhaps with
> better lasers this could be overcome in the future.****
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> *From:* Jason Baugher [mailto:jason at thebaughers.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 01, 2013 4:38 PM
> *To:* Frank Bulk (iname.com)
> *Cc:* Jay Ashworth; NANOG
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> *Subject:* Re: Will wholesale-only muni actually bring the boys to your
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> Management has asked us why we can't do RF overlay on our AE system. :)
> We've had to explain a few times why that would be too expensive even if it
> were available because of the high cost of the amps/splitters/combiners to
> insert 1550nm onto every AE fiber.****
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> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Frank Bulk (iname.com) <frnkblk at iname.com>
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> What's missing in this dialogue is the video component of an offering.
>  Many customers like a triple (or quad) play because the price points are
> reasonable comparable to getting unbundled pricing from more than one
> provider, and they have just throat to choke and bill to pay.
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> But few IP TV providers will claim good profitability.  And I don't
> believe any vendor has ActiveE and RFoG going down one strand.
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> Frank
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay Ashworth [mailto:jra at baylink.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 8:01 PM
> To: NANOG
> Subject: Re: Will wholesale-only muni actually bring the boys to your yard?
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> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jean-Francois Mezei" <jfmezei_nanog at vaxination.ca>
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> > A good layer 2 deployment can support DHCP or PPPoE and thus be
> > compatible with incumbents infrastructure. However, a good layer2
> > deployment won't have "RFoG" support and will prefer IPTV over the data
> > channel (the australian model supports multicast). So cable companies
> > without IPTV services may be at a disadvantage.
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> I think this depends on what handoffs my TE can provide at the customer
> prem.
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> > In Canada, Rogers (cableco) has announced that they plan to go all
> > IPTV instead of conventional TV channels.
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> Well, the MythTV people will be happy to hear that.
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> Or they would, if the content people would quit holding a gun to the
> heads of the transport people.
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> Cheers,
> -- jra
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