Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity)

Thu Mar 22 04:23:18 UTC 2012

My understanding was that fiber loops were originally included in UNE products available to clecs but several years ago the FCC modified the regulations to remove them.

So, if a service can be provisioned over a copper loop, a clec can offer it, but the ilec doesn't have to share fiber loops or services provisioned over fiber loops. I guess that explains 
the frenzy of fiber-to-the-curb buildout we saw with Pac Bell in the early 2000's. I don't think ATT/PacBell has been ripping out copper, but much of it in the SF Bay area is a rotting 
mess and ATT hasn't been spending much money to maintain it.

Now that the DSL clecs are all but extinct, the pace of fiber buildout to the end-user has slowed down considerably.

Joe McGuckin
ViaNet Communications

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On Mar 21, 2012, at 11:58 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Eric Wieling" <EWieling at nyigc.com>
> 
>> Verizon, the copper wireline company, is removing service from
>> locations EVERY TIME VZ fiber is installed in a building. This
>> prevents other companies from providing service by leasing Verizon's
>> copper infrastructure. If there was copper at a location then VZ would
>> be required to resell it and nobody would be locked out.
> 
> TTBOMK, whether Verizon has copper to a building has *no bearing at all*
> on whether a CLEC can place an order for wholesale service to that location;
> VZN is *required* to provide that wholesale service, at the regulated NRC
> and MRC rates, whether they currently happen to have the physical facilities
> in place or not -- are you alleging either that I've misunderstood that,
> or that VZN is refusing such orders *simply* because they've removed
> facilities to an address where FiOS has done an install?
> 
> Cause either of those ought to violate the rules.
> 
>> We often get customers in buildings lit by Verizon fiber service who
>> want to change carriers. Too bad they can't anymore. Technically they
>> can switch providers. Verizon will remove the fiber, re-install
>> copper, and have the customer down for a week or so.
> 
> See above.
> 
> Cheers,
> -- jra
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