Squeezing IPs out of ARIN

-Hammer- bhmccie at gmail.com
Wed Apr 25 13:00:18 CDT 2012


Sorry everyone. Bad choice of words. I simply meant they have their 
money and we have our allocation.

Stand down. Move along. Nothing to see here.

-Hammer-

"I was a normal American nerd"
-Jack Herer



On 4/25/2012 11:55 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> No, you didn't. You may have completed the acquisition of a large IPv6 block, but you did not purchase it.
>
> Number resources are not property and cannot be bought and/or sold.
>
> What you pay to ARIN pays for registration services (the registration of the numbers, not the numbers themselves). While I realize that in practice this may seem like a distinction without a difference, there are major legal and practical implications to this fact that are quite important to the very underpinnings of how the internet works.
>
> Owen
>
> On Apr 25, 2012, at 8:54 AM, -Hammer- wrote:
>
>> I can say that I recently completed the purchase of a large IPv6 block. We've had several large V4 blocks for years and got them with very little effort. For this block, we had to provide a detailed list of all our physical locations as well as how the IP schema would be utilized. I also had to provide site drawings (scrubbed visios) showing my topology layout to justify my additional ASNs. It was not a harsh ordeal. ARIN was very professional about it. But it was a lot more paperwork than what I've needed in the past. None of it seemed unreasonable. We just had to work out NDAs and whatnot so I could share more detailed information with them.
>>
>> -Hammer-
>>
>> "I was a normal American nerd"
>> -Jack Herer
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/25/2012 10:34 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>> There is not a new policy added on to prevent hoarding. What is required is what
>>> has been required for several years. Utilization information and proper justification.
>>>
>>> If you are seeking an ISP allocation, then, reassignment (customer) information is
>>> in fact part of that utilization information.
>>>
>>> Owen
>>>
>>> On Apr 25, 2012, at 8:22 AM, Kenneth McRae wrote:
>>>
>>>> Negative..  I have never had to provide end user information.  I have been
>>>> required to provide utilization information.  I am sure this "policy" is
>>>> and add-on to make it more difficult to prevent hoarding..
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Jonathan Lassoff<jof at thejof.com>   wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:32 AM,<admin at thecpaneladmin.com>   wrote:
>>>>>> Anyone have any tips for getting IPs from ARIN? For an end-user
>>>>> allocation
>>>>>> they are requesting that we provide customer names for existing
>>>>> allocations,
>>>>>> which is information that will take a while to obtain. They are insisting
>>>>>> that this is standard process and something that everyone does when
>>>>>> requesting IPs.  Has anyone actually had to do this?
>>>>> Indeed. It's worked this way for a long time.
>>>>>
>>>>> When starting a new organization, there's a bit of a chicken and egg
>>>>> problem with IP space. If anyone could get IP space just for asking
>>>>> for it, it would have been consumed too quickly. So, organizations
>>>>> must first get some space assigned to them from an upstream provider
>>>>> and begin using it.
>>>>> At some point the current usage and growth rate of the assigned space
>>>>> will justify a direct allocation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then, you can renumber into your new space and be totally independent.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> jof
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kenneth McRae
>>>> *Sr. Network Engineer*
>>>> kenneth.mcrae at dreamhost.com
>>>> Ph: 323-375-3814
>>>> www.dreamhost.com
>>>
>



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