wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

Fri Sep 16 20:01:58 UTC 2011

On 09/16/2011 02:58 PM, Leigh Porter wrote:
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Charles N Wyble [mailto:charles at knownelement.com]
>> Sent: 16 September 2011 20:47
>> To: nanog at nanog.org
>> Subject: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building
>> a nationwide network
>>
>>
>>
>> Wow this turned into a very long post....
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>> On 09/16/2011 01:10 PM, hasserw at hushmail.com wrote:
>>> No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants
>>> competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic.
>>>
>>> On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:55:01 -0400 hasserw at hushmail.com wrote:
>>>
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>> 2) Obtain ipv6 space from ARIN (inquired about getting space and ran
>> into some issues. need to speak with my co founder and get details.
>> evidently getting brand new v6 space for a brand new network is fairly
>> difficult. for now may just announce a /48 from he.net. ) Yes I did
>> come
>> up with a sub netting plan for the entire United States out of a single
>> /48. It's quite ingenious really. More details on request if anyone
>> wants them.
>>
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> I wonder what would happen if a new ARIN member requested an IPv4 block of say a /16 for a new business? Or even a smaller block. I don't know what the current ARIN rules are but RIPE will currently give out six months worth of space. Now, in six months, I don't expect there to be any left anyway, so what will likely be all the v4 you ever get.

Hah. True.

I actually don't want any v4 space at all. I'm fine with using provider 
space for my minimal v4 needs. However I believe if I had existing v4 
space, that v6 space would be easier to obtain.

> Very soon it'll be nigh on impossible for new entrants to the ISP business to get their own v4 space.

Indeed.

In my case, I'm perfectly happy with v6 space. Can have very minimal v4 
space for the time being. Google/netflix/facebook are reachable on v6. 
This is the vast majority of the net traffic. I can do large scale nat 
for v4 only content.

One aspect of my network, will be operational transparency. So as much 
as possible will be viewable in real time. This includes v4/v6 traffic 
statistics.

Also we do plan to expand into Europe and Asia. We are starting in the 
US first due to the relationships we have already established. If anyone 
is interested in supporting our activities in Europe, please let me know.

By our/we, I mean http://freenetworkfoundation.org/ (that's the non 
profit piece. the advertising part is separate but will help fund the 
non profit piece). Lots of dual use work being done.