ISP Responsibilities [WAS: Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers]
LarrySheldon at cox.net
Wed Jun 9 09:30:36 CDT 2010
On 6/9/2010 01:14, Paul Ferguson wrote:
> To cut through the noise and non-relevant discussion, let's see if we can
> boil this down to a couple of issues:
If I may offer a few edits and comments .....
> 1. Should ISPs be responsible for abuse from within their customer base?
> 1. Should ISPs be responsible for every thing from within their customer base?>
> 1a. If so, how?
[Good question. The answers will be hard, and some of the answers will
seem to some to be against their own "self interest. How does a
toll-road operator do it? An inn-keeper?]
> 2. Should hosting providers also be held responsible for customers who
> abuse their services in a criminal manner?
[A legal question--is the inn keeper responsible for the harm to you of
a meth lab he allows to operate in the room next to yours?]
> 2.a If so, how?
> I think anyone in their right mind would agree that if a provider see
> criminal activity, they should take action, no?
In some US states the law requires it.
> If that also holds true, then why doesn't it happen?
It's hard. It costs to much (actually false in my opinion--see "trashed
hotel rooms"). Somebody else should be doing it. Personal (see also
"corporations as persons") responsibility is now an undefined term.
> Providers in the U.S. are the worst offenders of hosting/accommodating
> criminal activities by Eastern European criminals. Period.
All the crap I get, I get from a (nominally) US provider.
 China probably holds the mortgage, which is another problem for
discussion another day (and somewhere else).
Somebody should have said:
A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.
Freedom under a constitutional republic is a well armed lamb contesting
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