Over a decade of DDOS--any progress yet?

Sun Dec 12 05:20:39 UTC 2010

I'm certain there are thresholds to that. Carrier grade mitigation
solutions will start low and ramp up to 5, 6, 7, etc. figures
depending on the attack and amount of bandwidth to be filtered among
other variables.

Jeff

On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Christopher Morrow
<morrowc.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Joel Jaeggli <joelja at bogus.com> wrote:
>> On 12/10/10 12:33 PM, Drew Weaver wrote:
>>> Nobody has really driven the point home that yes you can purchase a
>>> system from Arbor, RioRey, make your own mitigation system; what-have
>>> you, but you still have to pay for the transit to digest the attack,
>>> which is probably the main cost right now.
>>
>> or you outsource it and it's still costlier.
>>
>> Paying for DOS mitigation you rarely if ever use is quite expensive. If
>> you use it a lot it's even more expensive, but can at least be
>> rationalized on the basis of known costs e.g. npv calculation on the
>> number and duration of outages...
>>
>
> verizon's ddos service was/is 3250/month flat... not extra if there
> was some sort of incident, and completely self-service for the
> customer(s). Is 3250/month a reasonable insurance against loss?
> (40k/yr or there abouts)
>
> -chris
>
>>> -Drew
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Dobbins, Roland
>>> [mailto:rdobbins at arbor.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:54
>>> AM To: North American Operators' Group Subject: Re: Over a decade of
>>> DDOS--any progress yet?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 8, 2010, at 11:47 PM, Jay Coley wrote:
>>>
>>>> This has been our recent experience as well.
>>>
>>> I see a link-filling attacks with some regularity; but again, what
>>> I'm saying is simply that they aren't as prevalent as they used to
>>> be, because the attackers don't *need* to fill links in order to
>>> achieve their goals, in many cases.
>>>
>>> That being said, high-bandwidth DNS reflection/amplification attacks
>>> tip the scales, every time.
>>>
>>>> Lastly there is usually always someone at the other end of these
>>>> attacks watching what is working and what is not
>>>
>>>
>>> This is a very important point - determined attackers will observe
>>> and react in order to try and defeat successful countermeasures, so
>>> the defenders must watch for shifting attack vectors.
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>> Roland Dobbins <rdobbins at arbor.net> // <http://www.arbornetworks.com>
>>>
>>> Sell your computer and buy a guitar.
>>>
>>>
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