ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Thu Apr 8 12:55:49 CDT 2010


On Apr 8, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Mr. James W. Laferriere wrote:

> 	Hello Lee ,
> 
> On Thu, 8 Apr 2010, Lee Howard wrote:
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joe Greco [mailto:jgreco at ns.sol.net]
>>> It seems like you could run an RIR more cheaply by simply handing out
>>> the space fairly liberally, which would have the added benefit of
>>> encouraging v6 adoption.  The lack of a need for onerous contractual
>>> clauses as suggested above, combined with less overhead costs, ought
>>> to make v6 really cheap.
>> 
>> For "fairly liberally" see:
>> For ISPs:  https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#six51
>> 	You have to be an ISP with a plan to have 200 assignment in 5 years
>> Non-ISP:  https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#six58
>> 	Be not-an-ISP and have a need for addresses (per other policies,
>> 	you get to choose which one).
>> 
>> In another post you asked essentially "why does ARIN charge so much?"
>> ARIN doesn't just maintain a notebook of address assignments.  There are
>> HA servers for Whois, IN-ADDR. and IP6.ARPA, research in things like
>> SIDR, DNSsec, other tools-services, and educational outreach on IPv6.
>> You suggest that there's much less to argue about in IPv6 policy, but if
>> you look at current proposals (https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/)
>> you'll see three that are IPv6-specific, and most of the others cover
>> both IPv4 and IPv6.  So ARIN will continue to maintain the mailing
>> lists, and hold public policy meetings (with remote participation, so
>> anyone can participate), and facilitate elections so you can throw the
>> bums out if you don't like how we do things.
>> 
>> We don't really know how much IPv6 will cost ARIN.  If there were
>> no more debate about allocation policies, and nobody else had any interest
>> in us (politically or litigiously), and technology were fairly static, then
>> we
>> might just do periodic tech refreshes and be fine.  I imagine all of those
>> things will continue for a while, though, and ARIN will need to be
>> financially solvent through the transition.
>> 
>> 
>> Your ARIN fee does not cover me posting here.  That's gratis, and
>> worth it.
>> 
>> Lee
> 	Thank you for posting those URL's I find a completely different interpretation to the prose there .
> 
> <Quote>
> 6.5.8. Direct assignments from ARIN to end-user organizations
> 6.5.8.1. Criteria
> 
> To qualify for a direct assignment, an organization must:
> 
>   1. not be an IPv6 LIR; and
>   2. qualify for an IPv4 assignment or allocation from ARIN under the IPv4 policy currently in effect, or "demonstrate efficient utilization of all direct IPv4 assignments and allocations, each of which must be covered by any current ARIN RSA", or be a qualifying Community Network as defined in Section 2.8, with assignment criteria defined in section 6.5.9.
> </Quote>
> 
> 	Note the ""'d section above .  I as a Legacy holder of netname baby-dragons HAVE to have a Signed RSA with Airn or I am NOT ,  by definition , Qualified .
> 

You must meet 1 (not be an IPv6 LIR)
You must meet one of the criteria in 2.
Any ONE of:
+	Qualify for an IPv4 assignment or allocation under current ARIN policy
OR	"demonstrate efficient utilization of all direct IPv4 assignments and allocations, each of which must..."
OR	be a qualifying Community Network as defined in section 2.8...
	
> 	I find the present lRSA an indecent attempt to undermine the present Legacy ipv4 holders view of the rights presented them at the time of their Assignments or Allocations .  If I could find my OLD Ultrix Tarball or Dump tapes from that era ,  and they are still readable ,  I might just be able to present the conversations I had at that time with InterNIC while acquiring that Legacy Space .
> 	Might someone else have a Document or some other Recorded conversation ?

What, exactly do you find so onerous in the LRSA?
Would it be equally onerous if ARIN simply stopped providing RDNS for you?

Owen

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> 
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