Is v6 as important as v4? Of course not [was: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering]

Wed Oct 14 15:49:51 UTC 2009

You really can't read, can you?

And I spoke to Martin about it personally.  If he's OK with it,  
perhaps you should clam down?

-- 
TTFN,
patrick

On Oct 14, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Randy Bush wrote:

>> As for accusations, I challenge you to show where I accused them of
>> anything.
>
>> From: patrick at ianai.net (Patrick W. Gilmore)
>> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:09:58 -0400
>> Subject: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering
>> In-Reply-To: <a05493650910120441i27550f17qaa7d3377824afdda at mail.gmail.com 
>> >
>> References: <a05493650910120441i27550f17qaa7d3377824afdda at mail.gmail.com 
>> >
>> Message-ID: <0A37FD5D-D9D1-4D89-AC8A-105612BB8E39 at ianai.net>
>>
>> ...
>>
>> It is sad to see that networks which used to care about connectivity,
>> peering, latency, etc., when they are small change their mind when
>> they are "big".  The most recent example is Cogent, an open peer who
>> decided to turn down peers when they reached transit free status.
>
>> I never thought HE would be one of those networks.

> From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick at ianai.net>
> Date: October 12, 2009 12:49:02 PM EDT
> To: NANOG list <nanog at nanog.org>
> Cc: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick at ianai.net>
> Subject: Re: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering

> To be clear, I was not trying to imply that HE has a closed policy.   
> But I can see how people might think that given my Cogent example.   
> My apologies to HE.
>
> And to be fair, I'm pounding on HE because they've always cared  
> about their customers.  I expect Telia to care more about their own  
> ego than their customers' connectivity.  So banging on them is  
> nonproductive.
>
>
> In summary: HE has worked tirelessly and mostly thanklessly to  
> promote v6.  They have done more to bring v6 to the forefront than  
> any other network.  But at the end of day, despite HE's valiant  
> effort on v6, v6 has all the problems of v4 on the backbone, PLUS  
> growing pains.  Which means it is difficult to rely on it, as v4 has  
> enough dangers on its own.
>
> Anyway, I have confidence HE is trying to fix this.  But I still  
> think the fact that it happened - whatever the reason - is a black  
> eye for the v6 "Internet", whatever the hell that is.