Nanog mentioned on BBC news website

Winn Johnston WJohnston at induscorp.com
Thu Jul 23 16:18:07 CDT 2009


Very well put Bill :)

Winn Johnston
Linux Systems Administrator 

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From: William Herrin [herrin-nanog at dirtside.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 4:38 PM
To: Jim Mercer
Cc: NANOG list
Subject: Re: Nanog mentioned on BBC news website

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Jim Mercer<jim at reptiles.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 08:44:21PM -0400, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
>> My fav part:
>> <quote>
>> "That's precisely how packets move around the internet, sometimes in a
>> many as 25 or 30 hops with the intervening entities passing the data
>> around having no contractual or legal obligation to the original
>> sender or to the receiver."
>> </quote>
>>
>> How many of you pass packets without getting paid?
>
> in the case of intervening entities, it is true that they have no link to
> the sender or receiver.  my packets from office to home can traverse at 3
> or more networks that are not paid by me, or my company.

If I pay you to send my packets and you pay bob to send my packets
then I have paid bob to send my packets. Transitive property of
payment. ;-)

'Couse bob doesn't pay claire anything but denise pays claire to
receive packets for denise, my packets are intended for denise and bob
and claire have a peering agreement in which they agree to swap
already-paid traffic directly rather than both paying ed to do it for
them.

So it ain't free and at each step there is a contractual obligation to
at least one of the sender or receiver.

Regards,
Bill

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