Nanog mentioned on BBC news website
herrin-nanog at dirtside.com
Thu Jul 23 15:38:24 CDT 2009
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Jim Mercer<jim at reptiles.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 08:44:21PM -0400, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
>> My fav part:
>> "That's precisely how packets move around the internet, sometimes in a
>> many as 25 or 30 hops with the intervening entities passing the data
>> around having no contractual or legal obligation to the original
>> sender or to the receiver."
>> How many of you pass packets without getting paid?
> in the case of intervening entities, it is true that they have no link to
> the sender or receiver. my packets from office to home can traverse at 3
> or more networks that are not paid by me, or my company.
If I pay you to send my packets and you pay bob to send my packets
then I have paid bob to send my packets. Transitive property of
'Couse bob doesn't pay claire anything but denise pays claire to
receive packets for denise, my packets are intended for denise and bob
and claire have a peering agreement in which they agree to swap
already-paid traffic directly rather than both paying ed to do it for
So it ain't free and at each step there is a contractual obligation to
at least one of the sender or receiver.
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