Arrogant RBL list maintainers

Thu Dec 10 03:08:07 UTC 2009

Michael:

I've seen their form, too.  I think you're reading too much into their
policies/requests.

Does it matter if they label your non e-mail server IPs as dynamic space,
and therefore put it on their DUL?  

Frank

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Holstein [mailto:michael.holstein at csuohio.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:18 PM
To: Ken Chase
Cc: nanog at nanog.org
Subject: Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers

> To be clear: because the legitimate mailserver with a proper non-generic
> reverse was in a block with other generic reverses, they blacklisted you?
>   

Their initial email said :

[snip]
Trend Micro Notification: 137.148.0.0/16 added to DUL
[snip]

and then went on to say :

[snip]
To work with us, please generate the following three lists:

1) TOTAL ALLOCATED SPACE - in CIDR format
     Please include all information for the space you announce. 
     The total of Static and Dynamic space must equal the 
     Total Allocated Space.
2) DYNAMIC SPACE LIST - in CIDR format
3) STATIC SPACE LIST - in CIDR Format
[snip]

Which was, of course, impossible .. since trunking a VLAN across the
core just to have all the printers in the same /22 would be silly.

After some arguing back-and-forth .. they (Trend) said :

[snip]

Also we don't see the IP address as static as we see the generic naming
convention of 
*csuohio.edu* as dynamic and the WHOIS information doesn't indicate that the
space is static.
[snip]

Seriously .. we're a college campus, not a colo. Org-Abuse roles is defined
(and valid) and real people read the RFC2142 required addresses. What more
do these people want?

(Note: they did eventually say "okay, we see the MXs as static so those
aren't listed" .. but not without some discussion).

Cheers,

Michael Holstein
Cleveland State University