Atrivo/Intercage: Now Only 1 Upstream

Thu Sep 18 02:17:36 UTC 2008

Welcome the Internet version of "Too big to fail".

I like the corollary: If it's too big to fail, it's too big, and needs
to be broken up.

Otherwise, we get an oligarchy,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seth Mattinen [mailto:sethm at rollernet.us] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 11:27 AM
> To: nanog at nanog.org
> Subject: Re: Atrivo/Intercage: Now Only 1 Upstream
> 
> Lamar Owen wrote:
> > On Wednesday 17 September 2008 13:34:22 Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
> >> On Sep 17, 2008, at 1:32 PM, David Ulevitch wrote:
> >>> At the end of the day, nobody is going to drop packets 
> for amazon's 
> >>> IP space.
> > 
> >> I'm afraid reality disagrees with you - there already are networks 
> >> doing it.
> > 
> > Indeed.  Google's e-mail servers get on the various DNSBL's 
> frequently.
> 
> 
> I occasionally get in to an argument with a customer who is 
> trying to get mail from someone after a spam run came out of 
> a google mail server and landed it on a DNSBL. The argument 
> presented to me always boils down to "Google could never do 
> anything wrong" or "Google is too big to do anything wrong" 
> and I should immediately stop recommending any DNSBL that 
> would dare to block Google.
> 
> ~Seth
> 
> 