The DDOS problem & security BOF: Am i mistaken?
dean at av8.com
Thu Oct 16 21:42:39 CDT 2008
On Wed, 15 Oct 2008, Alan Hannan wrote:
> Is truth an actual defense to your assertions?
Yes. Everything in this message is true, and can be proved to a
> Dean Anderson wrote:
> > On Tue, 14 Oct 2008, Scott Doty wrote:
> >> First, the good news: so far, the NANOG conference has been very
> >> valuable and content-rich, covering a lot of issues that need to be
> >> discussed. For that, I am grateful.
> >> But now, the bad news(?): Maybe it's just me & my paranoia, but do I
> >> detect an inkling of "murk spam" going on with some presentations?
> > Judging by the email after this, the 'vendor' involves Rodney Joffe and
> > probably UltraDNS.
> > My opinion: Yes, you are being 'murk spammed'
> > Joffe and company represent what Professor Dan Bernstein (DJBDNS) calls
> > the 'Bind Company'. I think a better term is the 'BIND Cartel', since it
> > is a collection of companies and individuals.
> > Joffe, Vixie, John Levine et al own or direct Whitehat.com, a spammer.
> > Remember Sanford Wallace? Wallace sent spam and offered anti-spam
> > services; that was a non-starter for many. Vixie, Joffe, Levine et al
> > just stole Wallace's business plan and false-teamed themselves as
> > anti-spammers. What they were really doing was sending spam, and using
> > the MAPS blacklist to detect and interfere with their competitors, and
> > using the credentials with the anti-spam commun and inside information
> > to avoid spam-traps. See http://www.iadl.org/maps/maps-story.html
> > Joffe/Centergate/Bill Manning was the founder of UltraDNS. Manning is
> > also connected to Vixie through PAIX, and to ISC employee Susan Woolf
> > through ISI.
> > Vixie, Conrad, Manning, Woodcock, Curran, Plzak, Ed Lewis, etc all
> > worked together at ARIN, and have had 22 ARIN employees attend NANOG,
> > including the ARIN executive secretary. ARIN is giving NANOG $50,000
> > checks, even though the Board members have undisclosed conflicts of
> > interest. ARIN resource analysts have (and probably are now) attending
> > NANOG. The resource analysts are the guys who make allocation decisions,
> > so getting chummy with NANOG people is a conflict of interest in the
> > making. So far, I've discovered two cases where ARIN has made
> > allocations in 2 hours.
> > Have they done this before? The answer is yes. The previous scam was
> > AXFR-clarify draft. The draft was presented by the BIND Cartel as not
> > changing the DNS protocol, but in fact did change the protocol. When Dr.
> > Bernstein discovered this, and reported it, Bernstein's email was
> > disrupted and censored.
> > There are other scams that I'm writing up, but this gives you some
> > inkling of what's going on now and what's gone on before.
> > --Dean
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