[NANOG] Alcatel

Nicolas Antoniello nantoniello at antel.net.uy
Wed May 14 18:11:29 UTC 2008


Ok, I agree with you, may be I didn't explain myself clear: I meant "neutral" in the sense 
of relation with each other (i.e. Not being hostile).

Nic.

Tim Sanderson wrote:
> Why be neutral? If something is better, then it is better. Whenever I have tried a vendor other than Cisco for a routing or switching solution, I regretted it. Now I use Cisco equipment exclusively except where they do not make that product I need [such as FatPipe MPVPN].
> 
> Tim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nicolas Antoniello [mailto:nantoniello at antel.net.uy]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:53 PM
> To: Paul Wall
> Cc: Dan Snyder; nanog at nanog.org
> Subject: Re: [NANOG] Alcatel
> 
> I think we should keep this list as much neutral as we may regarding individual preferences.
> 
> Why some of you keep writing offensive mails to those who write neutral ones or to those
> who know less than what you THINK you know.
> 
> Have you heard about: "All we are ignorants, the thing is that we ignore different things"?
> 
> So my recommendation for life is: try to be more modest 'cos as some one say somewhere:
> life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get.
> 
> By the way, I'm not related to any vendor, nor any manufacturer company... oh, even not
> from USA... so this is as much neutral as may get!
> 
> Nic.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Paul Wall wrote:
>> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Dan Snyder <snyder at fusion-networks.com> wrote:
>>> What about Alcatel's MPLS edge routers like the 7x50 products that
>>> came from Timetra...anyone have any experience with them?  Are they a
>>> good product?
>> Garbage, the 7750/7450 are complete junk boxes. Here is why...
>>
>>  - For fun, view a 7750/7540 router configuration file and grep for
>> the word "exit". Count how many times you see that word. To sum it up,
>> the CLI is kind of annoying. Lets just say the 7x50 rivals a Bay Annex
>> CLI for uselessness.
>>
>>  - They attempted to mimic the Juniper style of policy-statements, but
>> they still fall short of it. Whats up with the pseudo-commit crap?
>>
>>  - The majority of ALU folks supporting the 7x50 are all from former
>> failed router vendors (caspian, nexabit, etc). When you deal with such
>> teams, keep your operator hat on and realize that some of the stuff
>> being suggested are from people who've never worked in production.
>>
>>  - 7x50 is about 1-2 years behind Cisco and Juniper on any feature
>> functionality on the boxes.
>>
>>  - The ALU business unit has no comprehension why users want to
>> interface with the box via CLI as opposed to their SAM EMS junk. The
>> BU and the former Newbridge developers think folks run their network
>> from a Sparc via a GUI. Times have changed...NETCONF what?
>>
>>  - If you haven't run into any BGP scaling issues yet, you will, soon.
>>
>>  - Limited RSVP-TE support...nothing compared to Juniper.
>>
>> There are plenty of other better options like the Cisco 6500/7600 as
>> well as the Juniper MX. Why settle for sub-standard CLI, weak features
>> and a business unit who has no operational experience and their only
>> claim to fame was gobbling up companies and exploiting their long-time
>> industry friendships to seal massive deals.
>>
>> I know some will reply to talk about their great failover is and this
>> and that, whatever. To get the box where it is today a lot of pain was
>> endured by plenty of customers who had to deal with a not-so-nice
>> Alcatel. The box pricing is not that great and for the same money you
>> can find better elsewhere.
>>
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