Martin Hannigan

Wed Jan 25 18:58:03 UTC 2006

Serious answers: (much like your 'serious questions'):

> If I don't see SANS running around with their capes off, I don't

http://isc.sans.org/blackworm
Further, our reports lead to a SANS ISC temporary URL's for each AS.

> really pay too much attention. The last one wasn't a big hit like
> they thought, but they do good work. I "trust" them more than 
> I trust IL-CERT telling North Americans to drop our hotdogs, turn

I don't work for IL-CERT (which is actually the GOV cert, not IL-CERT), 
except in an advisory capacity volunteer-base now. I.e., I am a civilian 
now.

> off our football, and get ready for "worms". I'd hope to see US-CERT
> continue making progress and telling North Americans when to worry.

US-CERT is kept in the loop every step of the way, as is the FBI, Secret 
Service and a lot of others who contribute from their time and effort. 
We can all criticize others, it's easy. How about you start pulling your 
own weight instead of causing havoc non-stop?

Is this some sort of VeriSign plot or did you come up with it all on 
your own?

> The work everyone is doing is fantastic, but it's pretty clear
> trust is being ignored

I am not one to keep my mouth shut. I am also not one to answer idi.. 
err, donkies. Still, I kept quiet about you for a long time, as ignoring 
trolls is usually the best way of handling them.

I am often "emotional", straight-forward and tactless, i.e. == rude for 
some people, which is why I try and speak differently to non-Israelies.
Unlike you, I don't impede progress or pick personal fights as a regular 
day-to-day sport. As the mods say nothing to you for a long time now, I 
suppose your kind of behavior is fair game.

So...

Are you going to stop being a troll about everything "IL-CERT" does, I 
do or anyone else except for you does?

What is it you do again? Anything what-so-ever?
Or is it just: pick up on someone and act the a**-h*le so that you can 
gain respect in the quick and dirty route, because some tech is in there 
and you act like someone who is authoritative in writing?
Use flame techniques such as quote only portions of the text, reply to 
something a tad bit different than what was written or ignore some of 
what the other guy said?
Anything else?

Last time that resulted in harming a big operational forum with one of 
the mods quitting (who also just HAPPENED to be an Israeli). You should 
be ashamed. Luckily it usually ends with only flame wars.

You use your own name rather than VeriSign's in everything yet are not 
afraid to speak openly for VeriSign when it suits you. What is it you do 
on nanog?

I've had enough. I knew it was a mistake to quit ignoring you and it 
probably is a mistake to reply to you, but your personal attacks can't 
go on, even under the mask of "concern". Have the GUTS to come out and 
say what you want, or is it just flaming?

Some of us work day and night on local operational issues, others work 
day and night on the survivability of the Internet itself.

And you? Google the wikipedia entry for "STFU".

	Gadi.