Let's talk about ICANN

Mon Dec 12 12:37:44 UTC 2005

Greg wrote:
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JC Dill" <lists05 at equinephotoart.com>
> To: <nanog at merit.edu>
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:23 PM
> Subject: Let's talk about ICANN
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>>
>> I'm surprised that I've yet to see any mention here on NANOG about the
>> Internet Governance Forum discussions that were held at the WSIS /
>> United Nations summit in Tunisia a few weeks ago.  From my reading of
>> the various articles, it appears that the EU together with some
>> developing nations wanted to wrest "control of the Internet" away from
>> the US and ICANN. Was everyone unaware of this, or were you just
>> counting on Vint Cerf to talk sense into the delegates from the other
>> countries?
>>
> 
> It's old news by now but I don't see your point in saying Vint would 
> talk "common sense" as if implying taking control away would have been 
> against common sense. I can see the point that countries that put down 
> all sorts of commonly talked about subjects would have made a mash of it 
> but then that is entirely America/ICANN's fault for getting into the 
> situation. Clinton and/or advisors were very smart in his term in 
> office. They could foresee Internet and what it would mean to the world. 
> At the same time they were incredibly dumb. It *SHOULD* have been 
> registered as a company, worldwide and the offered free to all. In that 
> way they could have kept control. Now, though there is some leeway, 
> there is no certainty. Let's face it - when, not "if" China makes it's 
> own version, that will be when the shit hits the fan BUT as they have 
> the Beijing Olympics and wresting control of Internet away from what it 
> is now would seriously harm them, they wont do anything until it is 
> over. THAT is when China will make it's own brand Internet.

The are already here:

; <<>> DiG 9.1.3 <<>> -t any xn--8pru44h.xn--55qx5d @hawk2.cnnic.net.cn.
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 7027
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 4, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 2

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;xn--8pru44h.xn--55qx5d.                IN      ANY

;; ANSWER SECTION:
xn--8pru44h.xn--55qx5d. 1800    IN      SOA     ns5.ce.net.cn. tech.ce.net.cn. 2004072009 3600 900 1209600 1800
xn--8pru44h.xn--55qx5d. 1800    IN      MX      10 mail.xn--8pru44h.xn--55qx5d.
xn--8pru44h.xn--55qx5d. 1800    IN      NS      ns5.ce.net.cn.
xn--8pru44h.xn--55qx5d. 1800    IN      A       210.51.169.151

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
xn--8pru44h.xn--55qx5d. 1800    IN      NS      ns5.ce.net.cn.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
mail.xn--8pru44h.xn--55qx5d. 1800 IN    A       210.51.171.29
ns5.ce.net.cn.          716     IN      A       210.51.171.200

;; Query time: 451 msec
;; SERVER: 159.226.6.185#53(hawk2.cnnic.net.cn.)
;; WHEN: Mon Dec 12 13:28:35 2005
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 191

and they can send and receive emails.

> 
> IMHO, we will end up back in the old BBS days of the 80s except it will 
> be Internet style BBS communication, if this shattering occurs but don't 
> fret too much. There is yet another glimmer of hope on the horizon. Keep 
> an eye on the upcoming 3D computing environment and virtual technology. 
> When that becomes a reliable and cheap enough source, that will replace 
> Internet and if, this time, USA trademarks it as I described above, 
> there should be no problems with people HONESTLY meeting "in cyberspace".
> 
> Greg.

That has been the time when good old uucp linked all those different BBSes
and hosts. UUCP is still there.

Bye bye M$ outlook :)

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